Koyaanisqatsi

Now, if nobody else objects, I'm going to make a special request.

Please hold off on posting anything until Pat Kelly answers my question.

Thanks.

Pat. What is the adult's responsibility?

Pat Kelly

I know I responded to this before but while I was taking a shower this morning I was thinking about your self-righteous attitude that would enable you to call the FBI or claim to call the FBI regarding the nude images of children I have decided are appropriate content on my website. As you can imagine, I get a lot of this and I doubt you and your family could withstand the same level of scrutiny mine has likely endured and still remain out of prison. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that while the FBI and many others are busy running around chasing after all the child porn, lots of kids are getting killed who could be saved if police resources were put to better use.

When thinking about you and how you seemed to hold yourself up to being somehow above me a few things dawned on me that I think someone should have the courage to say and get out in the open. None of this is directed at you personally because I have never met you but if the shoe fits, wear it. What follows is directed at the class of people, typically female who seem to lay claim they know more than other classes of people, typically male, what is best for our children.

Contrary to the opinion of many, this is not really an issue of females protecting children from all the sex hungry drooling males out to rape and murder children. We males have no exclusivity rights when it comes to killing and harming children. In fact, I was just reading another case where another mother killed her three kids perhaps so she too could pursue another love affair. I am not sure of the statistics but someone must have done a study based upon gender to see who is really killing all our kids. I’ll look into it and see if I can find something.

Now please do not misunderstand me. I love you females just as much as the next guy. But it seems to me that part of the problem with all this pedophilia and child sex stuff can be traced back to the fact many females have eaten themselves so far out of sexual attractiveness that you now feel threatened and are actually competing with children for the affection of males. From this perspective the alleged desire to protect children from sex might actually have more to do with protecting your position within the family against those you view as a threat to your femininity if not potential competition.

I will bet there is a direct statistical relationship between increased obesity at a societal level and increased instances of adult/child sex. I am sure no one has done that study but I for one would find the results very interesting. Just some food-for-thought and try not to overeat.

Pat Kelly

The adult’s responsibility is to try and leave this world a bit better place for their children then when they entered it rather than blindly perpetuate ignorance. The adult’s responsibility is to use their amassed wisdom and experience for something other than listening to themselves talk. The adult’s responsibility is to stand-up and expose social wrongs especially when those wrongs harm the future of humanity otherwise known as children. The adult’s responsibility is to develop the courage to look beyond the norm and what everyone else is agreeing with and try and discover the truth. The adult’s responsibility is to not always take the easy way and jump on the same bandwagon with everyone else until you have at least taken the time to really scrutinize what everyone else is screaming and shouting about. The adult’s responsibility is to share and pass on what you have learned to others so they may take it even further within the different light of a less ignorant future.

Now that I have answered your question perhaps you would do me the honor to answer it yourself.

Koyaanisqatsi

And you accomplish this by molestation, coerced intercourse and/or rape of an innocent child by preying on their ignorance?

The same kinds of actions that led you to grow up to be a pedophile with sociopathic tendencies and a highly delusional mind that seeks only to avoid any semblance of culpability on your part?

Such as this response, which still avoids addressing the adult's responsibility in regard to his or her molestation, coercision and/or rape of a child in order to satisfy the adult's sexual needs?

Like molesting little children in order to get their own rocks off?

Like a child who is violated at age five and then grows up so warped and twisted that he then begins to not just perform the same kinds of trauma on other innocent children, but actually goes online to hypocritically cover his or her tracks with obvious rationalizations?

I see. So someone like yourself performs the acts you do in order to turn your victims into victimizers. On behalf of all of humanity, sit down and stop exposing yourself, as it is this kind of behavior that grievously harms the future of humanity, otherwise known as children.

You are a perfect case study for the reasons why.

This world sure as shit doesn't need any more self-justifying sociopaths who are incapable of recognizing the harm they inflict, even when they look in their own goddamned mirror.

By molesting innocent, defenseless, ignorant, immature children?

Please continue. You reveal yourself more and more with every evasion.

So we should all go out and molest little children in order to find out "it's not so bad?"

"Less ignorant." I see. Well, don't worry. Everything you have posted here has been thoroughly enlightening to all involved, I asure you.

Now we know what to look for and how to identify it to the authorities.

Beside the fact that you did not answer my question, you merely avoided it yet again with pointless, self-justifying rationalizations having nothing to do with the intent of my question as you well know, I will.

An adult's responsibility is to protect children from sociopaths who prey upon innocence and ignorance to fulfill their own uncontrollable sexual needs.

That's an adult's responsibility.

You have my pity and my disgust.

Pat Kelly

I take it you did not like my answer to your question.

I think it is fairly obvious you would like to focus everyone’s attention on the role the adult plays in adult/child sexual encounters as if this is the only element involved. You seem to view this role exclusively in terms of the “responsibility” the adult has to assure the child is not harmed by the sexual encounter. There is not a lot of analysis required to reach that conclusion and human relations are usually a little more complex. I think it is easy to assume for someone else who may find themselves sexually attracted to children that the right thing for them to do is to devote themselves to a life of celibacy. Easy for you or I to say but if the tables were turned and we lived in a would where heterosexuality was illegal how long do you think either of us would last without sex and how many gorgeous ladies would you turn away from who happened to be looking in your direction?

I must be honest with you. For someone who is educated enough to write as well as you do, how in the world can you account for being so shallow minded and fixated regarding the subject of childhood sexuality? Is there anything positive about childhood sexuality or adult/child sexual encounters you would be willing to acknowledge? Are you incapable of seeing any of this from any other perspective than the distorted and narrow view you appear to have exclusively accepted of forced sex and rape?

OK, you insisted I answer you question and I did. Now give me 200-words on the potential positive effects adult/child sex could have upon a child. Two words? You see you cannot because to do so would cause you to review the rationality of what you have already accepted which I suspect is asking a bit more than you are able to give. Too bad. You might have learned something.

You have my sympathy.

Pat Kelly

Koyaanisqatsi - While fiddling around here I took the time to have a look at your website and found it interesting. Your views and mine seem closely in tune in other area such as death and religion. The next time you wonder over to my website stay away from the sex stuff. It only negatively affects your blood pressure. Instead have a look at the section titled "Search for Eternity." I am sure you will find that much more to your liking and in harmony with your views. Who knows... You might even agree with me.

EarthGirl

I have to say that what you write here is VERY WELL SAID! I just finished reading "Lady Chatterly's Lover". What a book! It was written in 1928 and it was even a bit over the top for our own times. I can't imagine the shock that people must have had when they read it.

Frankly, I loved the book. It was an honest, very graphic description of human sexuality and the natural (I believe) process and evolution of sex between to people who are very, very attracted to one another.

SEX IS WONDERFUL! For some reason, I have always had a healthy attitude about sex, even though I was raised Catholic!

I think that the only thing that matters w/regards to sex is that the participants are consenting. Other than that, there is nothing morally wrong w/whatever people want to do. Granted, as long as they aren't standing in a fountain somewhere in a public place!

Koyaanisqatsi

Astounding.

Now you're trying to suck up to me?

You consistently avoid every single salient point I raise, constantly shifting and changing your tune when cornered and still fail to address your own culpability in the monstrous acts you either inflict or advocate inflicting on innocent children.

You have clearly deluded yourself into thinking that what you are doing or advocating is some sort of public service for "the children," eventhough the result of your own childhood victimization is to apparently produce yet another sociopathic predator, perpetuating and/or advocating the same abuse that was inflicted upon you.

You are incapable of admitting to or even factoring in the harm you are inflicting and/or advocating; harm that has been clearly documented over decades of psychological and otherwise experts-in-the-field study, while ignoring the detrimental, psychological damage revealed by direct testimonials of other child abuse victims in this thread who had the courage to post in order to demonstrate to you direct evidence of the egregious harm your "philosophy" has obtained.

You hide your responsibility behind moral ideals you clearly do not hold and that your actions and/or advocacy direclty contradict, and when finally cornered so precisely as to not be able to move one more inch, you try some pathetic olive-branch offering with a thinly veiled attempt to make it seem we think alike and aren't too different.



Your morallizing is an obvious smokescreen for the purposes of self-rationallization; clear evidence of a guilty conscience, if, indeed, you actually have one. Your advocacy is justly abhorrent and demonstrably detrimental to society in general and to children in specific. Your inability to take any responsibility for your actions or advocacy proof that you are nothing more than a sociopathic predator, IMO, without even the most basic human decency or empathy for the victims you prey upon for your own sexual needs; needs that are evidently the result of your own childhood victimization and obvious, demonstrable psychological trauma.

It is to that point that I pity you. It is to all the others that you have earned my disgust.

Everything you have posted here is irrefutable evidence to support the notion that the laws on the books against what you advocate (and apparently practice) are by no means serious enough.

Thank you for being a shining light for everyone else to see precisely how detrimental your "philosophy" truly is. Without reallizing it, you actually have presented a case for a better future; a future in which anyone with like psychosis should (and will be) locked deeply away in a place where true justice for your actions and/or advocacy will reign supreme.

Hopefully every single time you awake or try to sleep.

Enjoy prison. It's clearly where you belong. [Personal attack deleted]

Koyaanisqatsi

Earthgirl, I respectfully direct you to read the entirety of this thread.

With a bucket nearby when you reallize what Pat has actually been advocating, however obfuscated it all is.

garraty

I went through puberty at around age 10, by age 11 I was 5'3" had pubic and chest hair and was quite happily wanking everyday. But I was still playing with my Star Wars collections and watching the morning cartoons and just generally acting like your average (albiet huge) 11 year old kid.

At age 12 I lost my virginity to a very drunk 16 year old, started smoking, started drinking started hanging around all my older cousins (14-16) and basically threw my childhood away.

Fuck I regret that first fuck, (actually I regret the 4 or so sexual encounters I had before I was 13).

Everything changes once you have a sexual encounter with someone else, all innocence is lost, because as far as I'm concerned sex is what seperates us from innocence.

That's how concensual sex can harm a child [name calling deleted], it opens their eyes to a world that they don't need to see yet. You can tell them about it, you can show them pictures, but until you have sex with someone you have no idea what it's like.

Children should have a chance at that innocence, how old is your daughter now? Have a nice long chat to your own flesh and blood and ask her if she thinks her life is better for her totally normal but somehow unacceptable sexual awakening with a man old enough to be her father. Sure at 12 she was probably having the time of her life gobbling his knob, but what does she think about it now?