Amie

I'll ask you the same thing.
I share my opinions and am also happy to hear those of others however calling a group of people uncivilized is a bit extreme in my opinion. However you are most certainly entitled to thinking so and most likely your stereotypical ways will not end any time soon so there is no point trying to show you the errors of your ways.
carry on

Amie

If you have a problem with us sharing our beliefs feel free not to read our posts. Pretty simple. I would tell the Christians at CF the same thing in regards to the ones who do not care for the atheists. And I hate to be the one to tell you this but Christians seem to be welcome here no matter how much we make our beliefs a public spectacle. If you want everyone to think like you perhaps you should go start your own colony somewhere...

I am wondering how your response would have been if it were an atheist asking you about your "uncivilized" statement you made...

Cope

KnightWhoSaysNi

I'm a non-theist myself, but I don't think I agree with your sentiment.

In a democratic and free society, I don't think one should erect taboos or discourage people from discussing their worldview openly. I think such a course of action breeds intolerance and ignorance. When you meet people who have different beliefs than you, it doesn't make any sense to cut off open communication and learning about each other. Freedom has its price -- you're free to espouse your viewpoints, but you have to get used to the fact that other people will express viewpoints that you don't like. The II forum is a medium for that sense of freedom to permeate.

Besides, I personally enjoy debating or discussing religion with people who have different views. Always surrounding yourself with 'yes-men' or people who agree with you will degrade your critical thinking skills (this reminds me of the Great Baptistboard Purge). Theists come here with a variety of motives: hanging out and chatting, learning about non-theistic worldviews, debating skeptics, and yes, outright evangelizing. I say, let 'em come! We'll learn from them and they'll learn from us.

Starboy

Amie, that is a hoot! That is exactly what Christianity has been doing for the last 1,600 years! It is so funny that you are uncomfortable with someone pointing out that the actions of Christianity can hardly be considered civilized. Christians can dish it out but they can't take it. Amie, if you were associated with an ethos that had any effectiveness you would be able to admit that it has screwed up and is screwing up as we post. You would be able to admit the mistakes of Christianity. But because you believe that your religion is “true”, you can't see the failings of what you profess. If you were a thinking person you would have to wonder where else has your religion screwed up? And please not another argument about imperfect people professing a perfect religion. A perfect religion would be able to get imperfect people to behave much better than all the supposedly false or imperfect religions or no religion at all. Could this be more evidence that Christianity contains no active ingredients?

Starboy

Amie

oh great another generality
I never claimed any different.
I have no problem admitting the mistakes of Christianity.
first of all you do not know what I believe because you have never asked me. I do not believe it is the "true" religion. Perhaps you should stop painting us all with that same brush...
There are positives as well as negatives to any sect. It comes down to how that religion manifests itself in ones life.

Starboy

Sorry Amie for assuming the worst about you. You are right, it does come down to how religion manifests itself in ones life. It is the manifistation of Christianity in my life in particular that has me so upset.

Starboy

Zadok001

My atheist father claimed to found his own church during the 'Nam draft, made himself a priest, and effectively dodged the draft.

Gemma Therese

Since I am an oppressed, brainwashed woman in the Roman Catholic Chruch., I can never be a member of the clergy.

Gemma Therese

Starboy

In a perfect world I would agree with you. I like a good debate the same as anyone else. Certainly on this site it is a way of life. And no one would accuse me of not making use of it. I am not sure if this is advisable for every corner of daily life. There are many activities where the job at hand does not call for healthy disagreements but harmony and unity of purpose. I would not want the medical staff performing a procedure on me to do so under a backdrop of acrimony due to differences in religious opinion. There are places where it is just better if the subject never comes up. And certainly in our government, it should be understood that our elected officials represent non-Christians as well as Christians, in this arena it should be accepted by all that religious discussions are inappropriate unless they pertain to the protection of our religious freedoms. Do not get me wrong; IIDB is not one of the places where religion should not be discussed. But since it is a place where one can make one's religious opinions known, I do not feel shy in the least bit to let Christians know that in other social situations it is best that they keep their religion to themselves.

Starboy

Starboy

Gemma, here is your big chance. You can remain an oppressed, brainwashed woman of the Roman Catholic Church and become a member of the secular humanist clergy. Unless of course those religious bastards at your church will kick you out for doing so.

Starboy