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Old 07-24-2003, 09:22 PM   #31
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We have 300,000+ people in Iraq and the leading reason we can't get someone out of a house alive is 'we dont have anyone trained for that.'

Yeah, the planing here is clearly beyond criticism. Who could possibly have anticipated that they would resist and we might need someone 'trained for that'?
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How many American (or Coalition) lives were worth the cluster fuck we have over there now?
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Old 07-25-2003, 04:29 AM   #33
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Default Are Saddam's sons dead?

The Americans have released photos of Saddam's sons, yet there are still Iraqis who refuse to believe they are dead.

how can this be, when 2000 years ago, all Christians would have at once packed in their beliefs if the dead body of Jesus had been produced?
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Old 07-25-2003, 09:02 AM   #34
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I can't imagine that the U.S. couldn't have taken the Hussein brothers alive, if we'd wanted to. Apparently, we didn't.

To those who say, "This is war", The Bush administration's tactic of villainizing individuals makes it unlike most wars. "We're not fighting the Iraqi people," say our politicians. So, if it's not war, it's more like some international police action, where we're trying to track down and summarily execute "criminals".

Who is a criminal? Whoever we say. No need to bother with the expense of a trial.

Also, who knows whether to believe the stories about Uday and Qasai. Some are so monstrous, and so seemingly made up by enemies of the Hussein regime, that I have no idea whether they are true or not. Did Uday really rape hundreds of 12-year-old girls? Doesn't that story sound like the kind of thing one's enemies would make up about one?
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I don't know. Was it worth 23 US soldiers to get Noriega alive?
Of course not. No more than it would be in trying to take these brothers alive. It's pointless to even try, and to anyone who thinks it would have been an advantage to do so just to put them on trial or interrogate them for information (that they would never give), you've got blinders on to the real world of combat and the life and death situation it presents.
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I can't imagine that the U.S. couldn't have taken the Hussein brothers alive, if we'd wanted to. Apparently, we didn't.
How would you suggest doing so? Seiges generally take months!
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I dreamed I'd been abducted by the government, to wake up in Guantanamo, bound and chained like a zoo animal, hood over my head and spending my time in the hot sun stuffed in a metal footlocker. They wouldn't take me alive either.

We hung Hitler's colleagues, but we treated them better than we're treating prisoners under the Bush Reich. If I'd been anyone in the card deck, I'd have shot myself before being captured by the Americans.
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Give me a break, Donald. How do you know that Uday and Qasai would "never give" us information? You're just making this stuff up.
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Yes, it is absolutly worth risking lives to secure these men alive.
Then please, explain your rationalization that would justify the loss of lives in capturing these men (who have a history of evil heinous acts of violence against their fellow countrymen/women that demands their death) alive to the families of the dead soldiers.

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Assume for a second that the Pentagon and the Whitehouse actualy do/did think these WMDs exist like they keep saying. I think if the decision makers really thought that there were WMD materials under these men's control, and these WMD materials are now unaccounted for and most likely distributed to other forces that would use them against the U.S, then it would be criticaly important to question these men.
Talk about being obtuse/naive! You (and likewise everyone else likeminded with you) obviously don't comprehend the history of these men and their pathological/psychological state of mind they exist in. There is no way in hell these men were ever going to divulge any information that would help us vs. them and their father. No way in hell! They wanted to go out as martyrs (along with taking a few more of us out with them) and that wouldn't be achieved if they talked.

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Even if it was unlikely they would intentionaly or mistakenly reveal information about Iraqi WMD, it is utter neglect to not even attempt to question the best possible candidates for this information.
What's utter (gross) neglect is allowing these men to live at the expense of our soldiers lives. Especially when the highest probability is that they would never talk. Hence, lives lost capturing these bastards would have been in vain.

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The entire war was suposidly about keeping Americans safe from these weapons.
You need to learn to read between the lines, as it goes far beyond just that.

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If now that we finaly know where the people who are most likely to possess this information are it isn't worth risking even one life to attmept to secure information on where these weapons went, then we never should have been there in the first place.
We've already captured key personnel of Sadam's regime and they're not talking. We're not any closer to finding these WMD than before and you actually think his sons would tell us where they are, much less anything else we wanted to know? Please...

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Many Americans have already died to bring this situation to the point where we could find these brothers. To now make no attempt to find the information these Americans died to discover insults these dead and dimishes their sacrifices.
It does no such thing! Killing the brothers and eventually killing Sudam and restoring humanity to a country that has been under the hand of evil for decades honors their sacrifices, not dishonors it. What dishonors their sacrifices is people like you question what they did, how they did it and when they did it. It sickens me to hear people questioning the actions of the military when they are doing what they've not only been trained to do but what they were sent to do.
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Give me a break, Donald. How do you know that Uday and Qasai would "never give" us information? You're just making this stuff up.


You obviously have no comprehension of the psycho-politics of hatred, martyrdom and the patholigical state of mind of murderers like these two were who were never held accountable for their evil actions.

You're a naive fool!
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