Old Man

I can't spend all day on the computer. I've got other things to do.

Depends how spiritually aware you are.

With things like homosexuality, motiviation is hardly relevant. It is the act which is repugnant and corrupting of itself, and any inhibition on such acts are only to be welcomed.

The golden rule "Love your neighbour as yourself" is meaningless unless you understand the meaning of the word love.

I refer you to my first post on this topic. People choose to become homosexuals, they choose to go to prostitutes and they choose to commit adultery. Trying to separate homsexuality from any other sexual deviation is a non-starter (though its something that homosexuals like convincing themselves about).

Old Man

There is no such thing as a repressed homosexual, any more than there is the concept of the repressed adulterer, or the repressed child molester. You either engage in such acts or you don't.

The compliment about being "f...u." is cordially extended to anyone who believes in the ludicrous doctrine of "repressed homosexuality" (which was only invented by homosexuals to try to smear normal people with culpability for the same crimes as they themselves).

Jack the Bodiless

Another reference to homosexuality as "corrupting".

I cannot be "corrupted" by homosexuality, because I am heterosexual. Why do YOU believe this is possible?
Another reference to the "corrupting influence of homosexuality". And, yet again, I will point out that homosexuals are generally NOT "immoral": they aren't particularly likely to be thieves, murderers etc.

This is YOUR fantasy (and Paul's fantasy). It does not address REALITY.

But neither does the Bible in general...

seanie

Can you feel the love?

Jack the Bodiless

Many strident homophobes eventually become homosexuals. This is a well-known phenomenon. Even among those that don't, problems with their relationships with women (and attitudes towards women) are common.

It's been a long time since I've seen such classic symptoms of repressed homosexuality as you are exhibiting.

I'm not trying to insult you (as I don't consider an allegation of homosexuality to be an insult anyhow). I think you have a genuine and serious psychological problem, which you should face up to.

Old Man

Of course you can't be corrupted by homosexuality unless you engage in such acts. Homosexuality infers the practices of such acts. If you have not engaged in them, you will not be corrupted by them. If you have homosexual desires, but are not a homosexual, it means you have already been corrupted by non-homosexual acts that you have done in your life. Commiting homoseuxal acts will lead to further corruption.

Ultimately, morality is defined by God and not men. It is an absolute standard. Ultimately, what you say is or is not immoral counts for nothing.

In anycase what is certain is that many people have been prevented from living normal heterosexual lives through being corrupted by homosexuals in their youth.

Godless Sodomite

Don't worry, Old Man. I wouldn't suck your lousy dick if I were suffocating and you had oxygen in your balls.

-Jerry

Jack the Bodiless

Again you seem to be missing the point.

I am an atheist. And I don't consider homosexuality to be immoral. And I know some homosexuals. There is nothing preventing me from engaging in homosexual acts. The reason I don't is not because of my "moral standards", but because I lack any desire to do so.

If I did, for some reason: it wouldn't corrupt me.

For me, homosexuality is neither abhorrent nor appealing. It would be like indulging in any other somewhat unpleasant and unrewarding activity, like inserting plugs of ice into my ears. Such an activity may appeal to some, but not to me. I don't anticipate becoming "addicted" or "corrupted" by it.

Apparently you believe that homosexual acts WOULD corrupt YOU, and lead to a desire to indulge in further homosexual acts. If you were truly heterosexual, you would find this to be as incomprehensible as I do.
Ultimately, morality was invented by men. It is a social convention. Ultimately, your belief in God counts for nothing: God does not exist.

In any case, what is certain is that what you're saying is baloney. Nobody is being prevented from living normal heterosexual lives through being "corrupted" by homosexuals in their youth.

...Because, even if it were true that heterosexual youths were somehow being "seduced" by the belief that homosexuality is "cool", there is nothing to stop them being BIsexuals. There is no reason why a straight person who has somehow become convinced that he is sexually attracted to men (how is that possible?) must reject women. And if he's actually straight and he's not rejecting women, he will eventually realize that he prefers women.

Treacle Worshipper

Originally posted by Old Man
I can't spend all day on the computer. I've got other things to do.
I apologise; in my desire to continue this discussion with you, I have obviously inadvertently offend you.

Depends how spiritually aware you are.
Have you ever been wrong about someone being gay?

With things like homosexuality, motiviation is hardly relevant. It is the act which is repugnant and corrupting of itself, and any inhibition on such acts are only to be welcomed.
So it's ok for people to pretend to repent and believe (effectively condemning themselves to hell, because they don't truly believe) as long as they stop acting gay? Their ultimate fate doesn't matter.

I refer you to my first post on this topic. People choose to become homosexuals, they choose to go to prostitutes and they choose to commit adultery.
Quote Salmon of Doubt:
It is simply not true that people choose to become gay. As Salmon of Doubt points out above, there are biological reasons why people are attracted to members of the same, or opposite, sex.

Old Man, you also say, in your response to Jack the Bodiless,
Of course you can't be corrupted by homosexuality unless you engage in such acts. Homosexuality infers the practices of such acts. If you have not engaged in them, you will not be corrupted by them. If you have homosexual desires, but are not a homosexual, it means you have already been corrupted by non-homosexual acts that you have done in your life. Commiting homoseuxal acts will lead to further corruption.

If this is the case, how do you explain my attraction to women developing when I was following god to the best of my knowledge & ability, & his grace, at a point when I'd never even held hands with someone, never mind been kissed?
TW

Proxima Centauri

Are you gay Gemma Therese?
Is that why you think celibacy is all God will tolerate from you?
Why do you want to spend your life surrounded by females as a celibate nun and surrounded by female temptation?
The above is speculation. I may be wrong. I'm just curious.