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Autonemesis · 06-23-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Lestat de Lioncourt
I see, so you're saying then it was okay for them to riot?

No, I'm saying your story from the OP is only part of it. Your story never mentioned anything about what I mentioned in my post. The rest of your reply is more inflammatory racialist rhetoric, so I won't bother to refer to it again.

Graeme · 06-23-2003, 03:21 PM

Lestat, do you intend by posting this article to draw a generalization of ALL who have african ancestry?

And if so, how do you reconcile the obvious logical fallacies that you are invoking to draw this generalization?

lunachick · 06-23-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Monkeybot
Having personally been to Benton Harbor about three years ago, I can safely say that I'd probably riot if I had to live there. Sorry, I'm not trying to make light of the situation, but... When I went through, I saw whole streets of tiny, dilapidated homes, some simply abandoned, with boarded-up doors and windows. At times, it felt like a ghost town, even though I knew there were people living there. I think it's hard to fathom exactly how far in poverty these people were if you haven't seen it yourself. I can safely say that I hope I saw the worst part of Benton Harbor, because it was pretty damn bad.

That town sounds like Tulia in Texas, Monkeybot. I'm surprised people didn't riot there a couple of years ago, when a string of racially-based, no-evidence arrests were made by a lying redneck cop.

Tristan Scott · 06-23-2003, 03:26 PM

Odd isn't it that the cite on the op reports "the death of a black, speeding, drug dealing, dangerous, fleeing-to-elude criminal..."
while the legitimate press reports: "Police said that they did not know why Shurn fled officers. But they said his license had been suspended and officers found a small amount of marijuana on him after the crash. "

Since when does a small amount of reefer make someone a drug dealer?

Lestat de Lioncourt · 06-23-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Graeme
Lestat, do you intend by posting this article to draw a generalization of ALL who have african ancestry?

Of course not, as that would be a hasty generalization (logical fallacy). In any case, by my posting this article I made no such implication (directly or indirectly).

Besides, I made it clear in my OP why I started the thread. I didn't know this happened, it was news to me. Hence, it would be new news to others and worthy of discussion (since it has happened before under similar circumstances).

Lestat

Lestat de Lioncourt · 06-23-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Tristan Scott
Odd isn't it that the cite on the op reports "the death of a black, speeding, drug dealing, dangerous, fleeing-to-elude criminal..."
while the legitimate press reports: "Police said that they did not know why Shurn fled officers. But they said his license had been suspended and officers found a small amount of marijuana on him after the crash. "

Since when does a small amount of reefer make someone a drug dealer?

The description was in hindsight (meaning, his criminal history became known for news/reporting purposes), nothing more. Irregardless, it is who he was. That is, unless, you have a different portrait to paint of this young fellow that would be more accurate then the way portrayed in the article (which you obviously disagree with).

Also, the article did say the police knew who he was. In fact, the original officer broke pursuit because not only was getting too dangerous but he knew the suspect. Hence, he could pick him up at a later date/time.

In any case, do you have more information then this article and the other reports are telling us whereas his drug habits are concerned (to give credence to your last statement)?

Lestat

kaii2 · 06-23-2003, 05:10 PM

I agree with the original poster. Yes, America has some serious race problems, but burning down the town isn't the answer. In my opinion, the race problem would go away if America would stop coddling black people. Black people are just as capable as any other groups in this country. They don't need affirmative action, welfare, or any other government entitlement programs. Take away these programs and Blacks will be forced to rise to the occasion. Giving out handouts is just another form of control. America needs to truly believe that Blacks are equal before the race problem can go away.

Lestat de Lioncourt · 06-23-2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by kaii2
I agree with the original poster. Yes, America has some serious race problems, but burning down the town isn't the answer. In my opinion, the race problem would go away if America would stop coddling black people. Black people are just as capable as any other groups in this country. They don't need affirmative action, welfare, or any other government entitlement programs. Take away these programs and Blacks will be forced to rise to the occasion. Giving out handouts is just another form of control. America needs to truly believe that Blacks are equal before the race problem can go away.

Thank you!

Monkeybot · 06-23-2003, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by lunachick
That town sounds like Tulia in Texas, Monkeybot. I'm surprised people didn't riot there a couple of years ago, when a string of racially-based, no-evidence arrests were made by a lying redneck cop.

That story alternately made me depressed and blood-boilingly angry.

Racism is tragically easy to ignore if it isn't happening to you.

livius drusus · 06-23-2003, 07:10 PM

Compared to the reasons white people riot, such as beer, or possibly the high cost of snack foods, I'd say the people of Benton Harbor have a far clearer understanding of what matters in life.

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Since the mid-'90s, white riots have occurred on more than twenty college campuses, mostly as the result of crackdowns on underage drinking or earlier closing times for local bars. Whites also have taken to rioting as the result of college football or basketball games. Unlike people of color, who at least choose important issues to raise hell over � like police brutality, poverty and racism � we whites lose our minds over the twin oppressions of cover charges and midnight last-calls.

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06-23-2003, 03:21 PM	#12
Graeme Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 5,447	Lestat, do you intend by posting this article to draw a generalization of ALL who have african ancestry? And if so, how do you reconcile the obvious logical fallacies that you are invoking to draw this generalization?

06-23-2003, 03:26 PM	#14
Tristan Scott Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southwest USA Posts: 4,093	Odd isn't it that the cite on the op reports "the death of a black, speeding, drug dealing, dangerous, fleeing-to-elude criminal..." while the legitimate press reports: "Police said that they did not know why Shurn fled officers. But they said his license had been suspended and officers found a small amount of marijuana on him after the crash. " Since when does a small amount of reefer make someone a drug dealer?

06-23-2003, 05:10 PM	#17
kaii2 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Beijing Posts: 147	I agree with the original poster. Yes, America has some serious race problems, but burning down the town isn't the answer. In my opinion, the race problem would go away if America would stop coddling black people. Black people are just as capable as any other groups in this country. They don't need affirmative action, welfare, or any other government entitlement programs. Take away these programs and Blacks will be forced to rise to the occasion. Giving out handouts is just another form of control. America needs to truly believe that Blacks are equal before the race problem can go away.

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