Hedwig

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Magus55: Please please please please read some Stephen Jay Gould or Richard Dawkins. Have at least a rough idea of what you're talking about before you proceed to discuss evolution on this or any other forum. I'm begging you!

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hinduwoman

To go back to op,

What mortals God will choose will depend on his temperament. If all he wants are slaves to glorify him then he will pick the believers who had faith enough to discount lack of evidence.
If he wants intellectual stimulation, then atheists.

But if he wants a blowjob only, maybe Clinton to give advice?

Magus55

No, the dead believers are raised up first, then the living. All true believers who have ever lived will be raptured.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Salmon of Doubt

All the dead ones? Wow, I hope he only rasies their spirits, and not the actual atoms of their bodies, otherwise we'll have atoms and bit of things flying about all over the place.

And what about all the people who had Jesus in their lives for a while and then decided to become atheist? Do they count? There's a hell of a lot of them, and they do come under the heading 'all the Christians who ever lived', as they used to be Christians....

Or are we going to get another "No TRUE Christian..." argument?

Magus55

Yes all the dead ones and their bodies will be raised up to. Its unclear whether the world left behind will see it since it happens instantly:

1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And atoms are flying all around you right now, what do you think you are breathing?

And no clue what happens to Christians who converted to Atheism. Only God knows whether they were truly saved.

Treacle Worshipper

Oh dear... I have an arts degree, and even I know it doesn't work like that

Quote Magus:
No, the dead believers are raised up first, then the living. All true believers who have ever lived will be raptured.

Erm, so how is this going to work, given that most of the Xians will have rotted away by now? What I guess I'm asking is, do they get a perfect body as they're resurrected, and that's what they'll be sailing up into the air with, or don't they get the new body 'til they get to heaven?
TW

mike_decock

That would include the likes of Hitler and a host of other evil people:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."

"It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god"

"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."

Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf

-Mike...

Magus55

Yes, as the scripture above about in the twinkling of an eye, the body is changed to perfection the instant that your are ressurected. The body goes from decayed to incorruptible. God is omnipotent so its not really tought for him. He can even take cremated ashes scattered over the ocean 100 years ago and restore it.

Starboy

Magus55, you forgot to end it like all good fairy tales ....

and they all lived happily ever after.

oriecat

But what about the parts of the body that weren't just decayed, but became something else? like you tell us that we don't care about being worm food, so what about a body that had some of its atoms eaten by worms, becoming part of that worm? How do those atoms get back to the body without hurting the worms? What if that worm got eaten by a bird? Is god going to destroy the poor little bird, just to get back the worm, so he can get back the decayed atoms to build the dead guy again?? Poor little bird.