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Old 06-06-2003, 10:09 AM   #71
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Hell, I should think they would use blood. Why bother with anything else? Blood is easily available.
Because what is chiefly impressive about the blood on the Shroud is the way that the blood flows follow gravity as if they truly pored out the wounds of a crucified man( ie they conform to relate accurately to the wounds of the body image). To simulate those wounds/blood flows would require exquisite knowledge of anatomy/physiology and the 'easiest' way to do this would be using some type of paint/pigment.

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Leonarde these are weasel words ==>compatible with authenticity".
No they aren't: these STURP members were writing as scientists . There is no/can be no 'scientific test' for full authenticity (ie no scientific test for Jesus).

THAT final determination is an archaeological one. And it is made, based on many skeins of evidence. Some of them scientific. Some not.

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You pretty much rebutted your own arguments for us...we only threw in the catcalls and made sure that others were aware of how weak the arguments were.
If you say so. But some "lurkers" claimed the same thing on the first 18 page Shroud of Turin thread too. I wasn't buying. And I ain't buying now.

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If you say so. But some "lurkers" claimed the same thing on the first 18 page Shroud of Turin thread too. I wasn't buying. And I ain't buying now.

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I don't suppose it much matters what you buy. We see you as ridiculous(you could seem more ridiculous, but that position is already taken by the flat earthers.)
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You also can't escape from the C-14 analysis by waving the bogus "Garza-Valdes contamination hypothesis" crap at us, either because:[...]
I haven't mentioned "Garza-Valdes" or his theory at all on this thread; it is you who keeps harping on it (see page 1).

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You don't seem to have any background to evaluate your "compatible" evidence, while exhibiting the fact that you obviously understand all parts of the word "obfuscation".
I know nothing about your background but what you have written is "compatible" with determined ignorance of the Shroud of Turin.

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Since my last post I have done a bit of prose analysis and it turns out that mfarber is my oh-so-desperate playmate from the first Shroud of Turin thread of more than a year ago (the 18 pager that I already linked to on page 1 here). Since 'Principia' obviously believes not one word he is writing here and the overall tone is nasty and anti-intellectual, I'm bowing out of this thread. But before I do, I should give a few resources:
best single site for Shroud of Turin is: http://www.shroud.com/
another good site is here: http://www.shroudofturin.com/services1.html

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But seriously folks, based on that 18 page thread and its most frequent participants, I have to wonder to whom leonard(e) is referring:

Principia: No, he's using the same name here, and his style is not particularly "desperate."
Koy: No, the most "desperate" argument Koy makes in that thread is "I need a fucking drink."

That only leaves one possible candidate, which leads me to ask, "Why would one subject one's own prose to analysis?"
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I agree, and that's the point I was making. Someone would have gotten human blood and smeared it on the Shroud, then claim it was Jesus.

DNA was unheard of back then, and probably blood types also. It was just blood. Who would question it?
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