Albert Cipriani

Dear Theil,
You ask,


You're like a child asking; "Who says the sky must only be above us? How do we know it can't also be below us and behind us and in us too?" Rather than be surprised, you should yawn at the obviousness of the necessity that only one truth is possible.

The Law of Contradiction allows for only one right answer to the properly formulated question. The Catholic Church is the one right answer.

Other religions are true only insofar as they redundantly express Catholic dogmas and morals. So I'm not saying other religions have no Truth; Truth can be found in the false religions just as living cells can be found in a corpse.

Your unbecoming sarcasm drips into the following words:


I guess the same thing that makes a compass reading true north special when you're lost in the deep dark forest among the lions and tigers and bears. The trouble with you atheists is not so much that you have no sense, but that you have no sense of danger.

You ask,


One pointer: the Christian and Jewish God is the only God that sought us out. All other gods have been sought out by man. Buddha sought enlightenment and discovered he was IT. The million Hindu gods were all, at last count, discovered by idle idol craftsmen. Allah is eliminated from the competition because Islam claims that Allah is the Jewish God.

The best definition for God is the one He Himself gave in Revelation. When asked by Moses who shall I say sent me, God told Moses to tell the Pharaoh that Yahweh (I Am Who Am) sent you. God is called many things, but that's the name God gave Himself and it expresses a profound metaphysical truth. Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

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Albert Cipriani

Ah David,
Finally, someone who's dancing with me! It's a pleasure to be swept off my feet on these boards by a person who shows some intellectual flexibility and emotional coordination.

You assert:


Yes! And you don't even need to qualify your assertion with "necessarily." It in no way proves God.

You misunderstand my nuanced position when you profess your agreement with me that "God cannot be arrived at through reason."

The Catholic Church teaches as a de fide belief (infallible) that God can be arrived at through reason. Even the Bible says "The fool says in his heart there is no God."

But this de fide belief hinges, in your formulation, on a definition of "arrived at." If it means "proof," then no, God's existence cannot be arrived at through reason. If you accept a lower standard of proof, such as "inferred," then yes, God's existence can be arrived at through reason.

You whine: <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />


You forget that to whom more is given more is required (parable of the talents). You are comparing yourself with Moses objectively, whereas God will judge you subjectively. That's how it is fair. Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic

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Theli

"You forget that to whom more is given more is required (parable of the talents). You are comparing yourself with Moses objectively, whereas God will judge you subjectively."


So you are using your personal god to threaten people now too? Boy, you ARE deluded!

And I suppose all you do is ok then, since you are just following the directions of your god...

Albert Cipriani

Dear Theli,


So you are using your personal mind to tread on me now? Girl, you ARE extruded! And I pantyhose all you do is KO others, since you are just following the invectives of your dog... (Makes about no less sense than your words.) – Albert the Deluded Threatening People His Personal God

Albert Cipriani

Demiurge said:


Dear Demiurge,
I agree with every word of your post except the last word, "truth." You just don't get it. You have eyes but cannot see that if someone is thrilled by something, that something points to the truth in that someone.

Let's say you were a librarian and noticed that someone was thrilled by cannibal recipe books and someone else was thrilled by romance novels and sex comedies. Who would you want to date? Proof positive that you are wrong and I am right. What thrills us points to the truth within us. -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic

Theli

"Girl"
No, not really, please try again.

"So you are using your personal mind to tread on me now?"
Ok, so let me se if I get this straight.
You start threatning people left and right, I tell you to stop. And suddenly I'm the bad guy?
Do your belief justify your actions?

"you ARE extruded!"
Extruded? what the hell is that?

"Albert the Deluded Threatening People His Personal God"
Would you please rephrase this?

I like that name though, "Albert the Deluded", has kind of a ring to it.

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Theli

"You're like a child asking; "Who says the sky must only be above us? How do we know it can't also be below us and behind us and in us too?" Rather than be surprised, you should yawn at the obviousness of the necessity that only one truth is possible.
The Law of Contradiction allows for only one right answer to the properly formulated question. The Catholic Church is the one right answer."

Ok, how did you arrive at that conclusion? "The Catholic Church IS the one right answer" Well, I'm convinced. I mean with an argument like that no other religions or opinions stand a chance. You should be a lawyer, "My client IS innocent" "case closed!"


--- What makes IT so special?
"I guess the same thing that makes a compass reading true north special when you're lost in the deep dark forest among the lions and tigers and bears. The trouble with you atheists is not so much that you have no sense, but that you have no sense of danger."
So you follow your religion out of fear? Are we supposed to be afraid of your little fairytales of demons and evil monsters? Or of your threats?

"I Am Who Am"
eh.... what? Does god have problems with his grammar? So that's how you describe god? "He is who is"... a "profound metaphysical truth" indeed!
And I guess I could be descibed as "I are who be" And how is the toothfairy descibed? "She are me she"?
Bytheway, my english isn't that good (as you might notice). What does "metaphysical" mean?

Theli

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LOL! I guess!

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LianaLi

Wow, I take a day long hiatus, an the thread takes on a life of its own. I'll be lazy and post an informal response to the arguement.

I have no problems with thrills being evidence. I have problems going from thrills to evidence for god. If I understand correctly, theistic myths thrill people because there is god inherent with people, because that "god-like" bit recognizes the theism

Bullshit. Sorry. Prove to me that there is a god without relying on circular proofs. In order for the thrill of myths ot be any sort of independent evidence for a god, one must not presume the existence of the god. The myths thrill because there is god within people. Doesn't work. This proof presumes exsistence of god FIRST, then finds evidence LATER.

If anything, it's just evidence that people like to entertain themselves with stories.

Still beating the dead horse,
-Liana

Theli

Yes, the same goes with stories such as Atlantis and the bermuda trangle where some claimed that UFO's was the reason for the ships to sink.
And "the flood" that was said to have covered the entire world, was just a local "flood" at the dead sea. Maybe Noa was just out on the sea fishing with his dog and cat. Not that much life could live in that sea, but still...

Fantastic stories are much more appealing than the truth. Why do people love watching movies so much? Or reading books?