AJ113

I understood originally.

You seem to have overlooked the fact that, regardless of her beliefs, Gemma is clearly an intelligent person, who has discovered enough evidence, in her opinion, to warrant faith in God. Thus, in her eyes at least, her faith is not blind.

The fact that you think her faith is blind, does not make it so.

AJ113

As it is now 02:40 in the UK, I'm off to bed!

There's a fair amount of cross-posting going on at the moment so I'll return tomorrow when it's all sorted out.

himynameisPwn

The only way I have of assessing Gemma inteligence is through her posts. I have no reason to believe her faith isn't blind by the qaulity of some of them. Her faith may not be blind in her eyes, but, if she truely persues knowledge, it will find her. I know for one, just reading over many of the peoples posts who post here have made me think.

The fact that I think its blind does not make it so? true, but thats the whole point of the argument right? Im arguing that her faith is blind so at first I assumed it wasn't but after a while her reasoning fell through(as I see it), and she answered with the ever-so mysterious "faith". Taking something on faith without facts to back them up, is by definition blind faith no? So, if she had facts to back up her claims, she never would have had to even mention her faith, rather the facts would show through her arguments. Again, facts are ussually best in the form of something tangible. But God can't be so easy, so one must use logic. I didn't find her logic sound either, as logic is based on what we know, which is based on what we can see and feel, etc.

I never questioned her inteligence but her blind faith. An appeal to me saying shes inteligent so must be right is a logical fallacy I believe? Eh, Ill go look it up tommorow, I got to go workout then go to bed. night.

Ion

You didn't and you don't.
Any tangible evidence? I don't see any?

Is there any tangible evidence over there, in Hull, UK?

Keep me posted if you, Gemma, or anyone else has tangible evidence of the Bible's God: I would like to see it for the first time in my life.

Liquidrage

AJ113,
If, however you still "do not care" to list them, I suggest that you retract the statement


Actually, it's relevant.
Read my entire post as a whole and you can see

"Of course a common response is that many Xians call the parts of the Bible they don't agree with "fable" or "parable". It allows them to keep their hope without conflicting beliefs"

follows the part you don't like.

The ability to discard parts that you don't like is on topic.

Furthmore, I listed a few and choose not to expand upon it any further.
Now if you would care to debate that more exists I suggest you make another topic.

Synaesthesia

I would like to believe that the Catholic faith is different from all other faiths - or once wanted to believe that. As far as I am concerned, a faith built on faith can rest only on sand. The very same quagmire all other religions find themselves in. Religion is very believable, but should be all the more doubted for it’s very contagiousnss.

AJ113,
Aww that’s a little hard on poor Typhoon. I don’t recall any instance of Typhoon wiping out every man woman and child in a city? (You haven’t been doing that recently Typhoon?) He hasn’t been inflicting plauges and wiping out the firstborn. (right?)

I mean, not being convinced that your God exists simply because he’s hiding isn’t all the fault of Typhoon or the other atheists here, is it? We aren’t hard-core genocidal madmen, we’re just seekers of truth. Harder hearts indeed!

You know already very well know (or should know) all about the more... unpleasent blood soaked slaughters your god ‘has been’ involved in during his occasional fits of bad temper.

When I was a Catholic, people who did not know their own scripture irritated me. But now I am glad of it, and take it as a sign that the hold of the church is weakening. Weakening it is regardless of whether her children’s ignorance of her ways can be taken as a sign.

All in all, I don’t think the argument from evil stands against God’s existence in general so much as certain conceptions of it. I would bow before a vengeful God. In first place he’s God and secondly because he could (and is willing to) kick my ass in some very unpeasent ways! However, as it happens, I don’t appear to have to deal with the unstable chap. Thank God.

If at the end of my life God suddenly jumps out behind of a bush, I’ll pull out my trusty Catholic Church approved charm (The Brown Scapular) and say “God, let’s get this over with.”

Good Catholics should know what I mean,
Synaesthesia
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Answerer

Gemma Therese and Synaesthesia, just curious, do both of you believe in the young and flat Earth theories by the creationists?

Samhain

Hello, Gemma, are you ignoring me purposely?

Gemma Therese

Hmmm, I don't know how many ways to say this.

My belief in God exists independently of tangible evidence.

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Answerer

Come on, if the bible is proved to be incrediblity by any evidences that could be found, so is your God.