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Heathen Dawn · 09-10-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lulay

about your belief in your 'mental illness'...that is your business. i personally do not believe in all of that.

Hmmm ... so, if you should ever break your arm (Gods forbid), you would take it lightly if someone said to you the pain were your belief and your private business?

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like said.....i like exploring about this with people. as expected i encounter hostility when mentioning about them i put this down to the myth against them, which is very old in myth

You not only stone yourself, you tell other people they should get stoned, and you’re surprised you encounter hostility?

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why are you attracted to this if you dont agree with it i am wondering?

I was attracted to the title “Nature” of this thread. Had it been titled “hallucinogens” or something similar, I might not have participated at all.

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and 'heather'

Heathen. It’s a magical name, not a real name.

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i had guessed you weren't a homosexual

I’m a straight male.

Mageth · 09-10-2004, 02:52 PM

Heck, I've had plenty of ecstatic, almost "transcendental", experiences of nature without the help of drugs; flyfishing alone on a beautiful river, or walking alone through the woods at dusk or at night on a full moon, or sitting concealed on the edge of a desert canyon on a cold dawn, watching the day begin.

Campfires are great for such experiences, too. Last year, sitting alone late at night and staring into a campfire (and helped along by just a bit of whiskey), I had quite a trance-like experience, halfway between wakefulness and sleep, and hallucinating quite vividly faces in the coals.

4th Generation Atheist · 09-10-2004, 03:24 PM

(Next time you mistakenly send a blank post, edit it to put your text inside).

(In fact, you could cop my abuse of the edit button to good effect....)

Heathen Dawn · 09-10-2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Heck, I've had plenty of ecstatic, almost "transcendental", experiences of nature without the help of drugs; flyfishing alone on a beautiful river, or walking alone through the woods at dusk or at night on a full moon, or sitting concealed on the edge of a desert canyon on a cold dawn, watching the day begin.

That’s the pagan spirit, it is.

Mageth · 09-10-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn

That’s the pagan spirit, it is.

Well, if that's what it is, then call me a pagan!

I'm quite respectful to awesome trees, as well. I'll give 'em a pat and a good word or two when I see 'em.

IrishGuy · 09-10-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lulay

some one else --Sturmtrabe' said, hallucinogens aren't the answer, it is meditation and training the glands to become more enlightened or whatever

so why am i emphasizing HALLUCINOGENS for the sole symbiotic purpose of bringing us closer to Nature again?
First, cause it did so for me...secondly friends it's done same for, and also the stuff i've read which goes into the history and mythology of this subject, the research inspired by my original experience with LSd when quite young

Hallucingenic inspiration is the EASIESt route to ecstasy. so why take the bus when you can take the
plane.

Meditation although some people really take to it, and there are exotic religions that advocate it is not for everyone. many meditate for hours and basically just sit eyes shut, life passing them by. when all outside are trees, birds, bees, clouds, sex, fun. yet there they sit with eyes shut like stone buddhas....heh i have a lot to say bout this. BUT i dont ridicule it if that's what you want. i challenge it being lorded over hallucinogenic experience though, and claim it was a replacemnt for it, and an elitist one at that. and not guranteed to give ecstatic experience neither

i am advocating ecstatic orgia.....the opening of our bodyminds in abandon. the relesing of emotions, rigidity

this is whay we aren't really natural when we don't even--aren't even aware of the danger we are in.

I dont get how taking LSD and partaking in orgies will solve the world's problems.

Sturmrabe · 09-10-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn

I agree with you, connection with nature is very important. Incidentally, I touch upon this in my website’s latest:

To Worship Wood and Stone

what was that link... i didn't get it when you posted 3 other links to your webite in as many threads

you don't here people saying "Pm me for your networking needs... FTP, Active directory, and Cisco solutions, secure webtire mirror pages with onlines network backups...... at 'myname'@gmail.com" do you...

even though I could! :devil3: :devil1: :devil3: :devil1: :devil3:

and Lulay, i haven't seen a Woman properly purport the goddess theory... and i've met some from 5 continents...

I'm getting bored with a guy doing it poorly...

Heathen Dawn · 09-11-2004, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sturmrabe

what was that link... i didn't get it when you posted 3 other links to your webite in as many threads

You’ve got any problem with my linking to my website?

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you don't here people saying "Pm me for your networking needs... FTP, Active directory, and Cisco solutions, secure webtire mirror pages with onlines network backups...... at 'myname'@gmail.com" do you...

??? Whatchoo the hell talkin’ about?

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and Lulay, i haven't seen a Woman properly purport the goddess theory... and i've met some from 5 continents...

I'm getting bored with a guy doing it poorly...

Anything nice to say for a change?

abe smith · 09-11-2004, 06:44 AM

Stop personifying/"entifying" "Nature", if you don't mind.
It appears that you may wish to set up the quasi-entity artifact "Nature" to assert your own prejudices about what is (for you) acceptible and proper.

Let me then insert here an opposition opinion (I forget whose.) , that
*whatever occurs, performed by an existing entity IZZ "natural"*. \
If this assertion of mine here is incorrect = false, you /anyone please give us a nother more adequate definition for "natural"?

Warthur · 09-11-2004, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 4th Generation Atheist

I was going to say something too, but for the fact that every time someone does point this up to an unintelligible poster, the discussion descends into accusations of grammar-policing rather than becoming clearer. I try to pick out what I can to reply to as I understand it, but I suspect in lulay's case I've at times been way off base.

Given lulay's frequent championing of hallucinogenics as part of religious practice, I'd be surprised if he didn't have certain disadvantages when posting that we do not.

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abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Resp to OP Stop personifying/"entifying" "Nature", if you don't mind. It appears that you may wish to set up the quasi-entity artifact "Nature" to assert your own prejudices about what is (for you) acceptible and proper. Let me then insert here an opposition opinion (I forget whose.) , that whatever occurs, performed by an existing entity IZZ "natural". \ If this assertion of mine here is incorrect = false, you /anyone please give us a nother more adequate definition for "natural"?

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09-10-2004, 02:52 PM	#32
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Heck, I've had plenty of ecstatic, almost "transcendental", experiences of nature without the help of drugs; flyfishing alone on a beautiful river, or walking alone through the woods at dusk or at night on a full moon, or sitting concealed on the edge of a desert canyon on a cold dawn, watching the day begin. Campfires are great for such experiences, too. Last year, sitting alone late at night and staring into a campfire (and helped along by just a bit of whiskey), I had quite a trance-like experience, halfway between wakefulness and sleep, and hallucinating quite vividly faces in the coals.

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