Goliath

Post every last detail of your test and give a rigorous statistical analysis (including confidence intervals) that show that your test can detect atheists with probability >.5.

Do both of these things, and I'll tell you which statements apply to me.

Sincerely,

Goliath

xian

nothing left.


now back to my question:

we have NON LIFE......then we have LIFE.

please describe me the LAW that REQUIRED that event to take place such that there was no randomness and the event of NON LIFE---> LIFE was deterministic.

Eudaimonist

I find it completely unremarkable that there may be statistical trends among atheists. However, this has little to do with the issue of whether or not atheists have something besides a lack of belief in deities in common, since that implies all atheists, not simply a majority.

There are probably some trends that could be used to identify Christians, or at least a subset of Christians. Perhaps some conservative cultural views, such as the role of women in marriage.

What does any of this matter, anyway?

Paul2

Listen, please. Chemicals interact with each other, that is a FACT. When certain chemicals get together, certain things ALLWAYS happen. All life is, is chemicals interacting with each other.

A beginners guide to molecular biology:

http://www.rothamsted.bbsrc.ac.uk/no...courses/guide/

xian

dodge.

you are good at this, no?

now, once again....describe to me how NON LIFE --> LIFE without randomness?

You are now arguing against nearly every scientist on the planet...theist and atheist alike by denying randomness. IN fact, even atheistic evolutionists admit that mutations are the result of CHANCE, not determinism.

your little zen-buddhist deterministic world is a nice religion. Is there a book for your followers? I would like to know more of your teachings.

xian

"When certain chemicals get together, certain things ALLWAYS happen"

lol!!! here is someone who is in high school...no doubt.

one day, as your education progresses, you will begin to learn about chaos, quantum dynamics, principle of causation, and complexity theory.

but until then, it was a fun chat. tah-tah

Rhea

xian, I'm curious. What is your level of scientific education?

What Paul2 is saying makes perfect sense and answers your question explicitly if you understand it.

The formation of water as a byproduct of an internal combustion engine is NOT RANDOM. Chemicals react in certain ways. They ALWAYS do.

Hydrocarbons will not combust in the presence of oxygen and make C5O2 and H6O. They just won't. It's NOT random.

xian

lol! Is this what you atheists do? Just slide around clinton style? When we talk about causality, you are the first to illuminate randomness, causeless effects....in evolution debates, you cite the randomness of mutations....and now you are talking about universal determinism, totally undermining all scientific progress for the last 40 years. ...and for what? SImply to argue against a xian, side with a high schooler and make yourself look bad?

"Oohh...lets see...I mix the gunpowder with the fire on my wooden stick! WHHOOOSHHH!!!!!

Ug Ug

Therefore certain chemicals will ALWAYS react the same (forget about the trillions of random events on a micro-scale. we just see the big macro effects...ug ug

Oooh look!!! I mix the pink chemical with the green one! LOOK LOOK!!!

Ug Ug

Therefore, we know imperically that life MUST have evolved from NON LIFE because "somehow" these chemicals got mixed -- NOT BY CHANCE, but because of determinism.

Ug Ug

And me typing this message now was PREDETERMINED by chemicals in my brain. In fact, my thoughts about how this xian guy is a troll are being CAUSED BY those chemicals that are reacting, forcing me to think these thoughts.

Ug Ug

And when I click REPLY, it will not be because I chose to, but chemicals which ALWAYS DO THE EXACT SAME THING are causing me to think "hit reply" which then force my fingers to click my mouse button
</end sarcasm>

You do not argue with me when you toss out randomness in the trash when describing NON LIFE --> LIFE.

you argue with all of science.

braces_for_impact

This is HILLARIOUS!

In another thread titled something like 'Why do christians waste their time with atheists', Xian browbeats atheists, saying they are consumed by christianity and define themsleves by it, spending an innordinate amount of time 'debunking' it, etc...

And here he is, putting together a freakin' survey, designed to detect atheists with 90% accuracy! He starts the thread, and through most of it will not reveal his method so as to fan the flames, then spends an inordinate amount of time defending his views by insisting they do not require a defense!

Xian, your parents never paid you much attention did they? Why do you seek it here? Is it hard to get attention at church when everyone agrees with you and you're just like everyone else?

Mageth

Is this what you atheists do?

Who is this "you atheists" you're referring to? As far as I can tell, that current line of discussion is happening between you and maybe two or three others.