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Old 07-02-2003, 08:17 PM   #21
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I like Biden when I hear him and wish he would run in some capacity though I'm certain he's not perfect.
Biden is not much better than Bush and I sincerely hope that he appears on no one's ticket. Along with Lieberman and many of the other "Bush lite" spineless democrats, he still stands by his ridiculous position that attacking Iraq was the right thing. I would have a hard time voting for him if he was on anyone's ticket. I may be able to hold my nose and do it since voting for anyone else would essentially be a vote for Bush, but I would literally probably vomit after I left the ballot box.
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Dean/McCain is my choice. Though I don't know why our beloved Wisconsin senator, Russ Feingold, didn't run this year. As for Kucinich, maybe the guy's policies are alright, but doesn't seem to have the presence or manly looks stupid people want in a President. Then again, those stupid people will probably vote for Bush.

P.S. I'd really like to see who goes up against Bush, if anyone, on the Republican ticket. I HOPE at this point even Republicans realize he has done a horrible job, and there's surely better candidates out there.
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You beat me to it....I was just musing about Dean/McCain! THAT would be very interesting..... For that matter, I'd like to see them start a whole new party so others on both sides would feel more comfortable jumping ship.
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Just think of all the fun controversy if Dean/McCain were to happen. It'd get my vote.

And at this point in time, I doubt any republicans would even run against Bush. The RNC will probably just hand him the nomination out of hand, and it'll end up being a fight to see who'll be his running mate.
Because honestly, I hope the general populace wakes up before we find ourselves stuck with another 4 years of "How the Grinch stole Democracy"
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Would Dean/McCain be ressurecting the old Democratic-Republican party of Jefferson & Madison?

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Someone mentioned Sharpton. That inspired in me the image of a Sharpton-Cheney debate series where Al would be just gutting Cheney with his one-liners. It would be unprecedented in its humor and momentousness! A major part of trying to influence someone's opinion on political issues and policy is injecting humor. Borish, monotone Cheney would stand hardly a chance. Alas, it's but a dream.

Clark has been somewhat critical of Bush, but as someone else mentioned, has barely had any pub so he seems vague at this point. Dean-McCain is intriguing, but I wonder if McCain would go for that. He might consider it, but in American politics, nothing even remotely drastic (like a Dem-Rep pres ticket) ever happens.

I think if the Dem nominee could win Ohio, he wouldn't need the South. But I also believe, as someone else said, Kucinich probably isn't that popular in Ohio. The whole state revolves around the cattle industry, and only Cleveland and the hippy college areas vote democratically. Health food is still thought of there as a fringe product for freaks. So I doubt Kucinich could influence OH much. Would be nice though; no Republican has ever won the WH without winning Ohio.

I dunno, maybe Dean/Clark. To me, they all have selling points for the VP position, except Graham given that he co-authored the PA.
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Howie looked bad on Meet the Press. He flubbed up on a lot of questions and could not backtrack effectively on a statement he made five or six years ago, on his thoughts on Social Security and the increasing of the retirement age. Then Russert killed him on parental notification of minor's seeking abortions. This was over a story of a 13 year old who was pregnant and went to Dr. dean's office. Dr. Dean thought her father did it, (he didn't) so on that falsehood, he protected the girl from supposed harm (the father was another adult.

Howie-I want to cut troop strength in Iraq.

Russert-How many troops are there now?

Howie-I don't know, I'm not the President.

(that was the gist of that segment).

He also stated that his opponents in the primary had no backbone, and needed backbone replacement surgery. Russert asked which one, and Dean would not say, because he said that he wanted to keep the party united in the end. How stupid. To win, you have to go negative,

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Kerry married an older widow woman who inherited a lot of money her dead husband, the Ketchup King. Went to Vietnam, but came back to the USA and cried about it "Who will be the last man to die for a mistake.) He was also Lt. Governor during the Dukakis years. There is a rumor that Kerry became briefly addicted to amphetimines due to fighting to stay awake at Gov. Dukakis' staff meetings.

Edwards is a multi millionaire trial lawyer. He is also the lawyer dude you see on daytime TV commercial saying "Were you hurt in an accident at work and it wasn't your fault, call us now", with the next cut seeing a trailer trash guy stating "Lawyer Edwards won me 5 million dollars when my trailer fell on my head, YEE HAW!"

Kucinich is to the left of Castro. He also ruined Cleveland in the 1970s. Not to mention he looked like the kid everyone beat on in High School. An intellegent Barney Fife. I'm sorry Dennis, we can't face the Russians, Chinese, israelis and global threats with Don Knotts at the helm.

Al Sharpton is cool, he tells it like it is, and he is not ashamed of being liberal. But think of "Twana Brawley" and one sees the bad side of this guy. If I want to vote for a black preacher dude, I'll write in Al Green.

Mosely Braun helped a bunch of Nigerian crooks launder money.

Bob Graham would be a good president. He just looks like an old fart.

SO, Howie, you must ATTACK your opponents, and learn some simple facts. I'm a libertarian, and I don't want governmental mandated health care, so you wont get my vote, but I care none the less.

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Yep, that's how he made it from 'Boy Mayor' of Cleveland to representing Cleveland in congress--by ruining it.

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You claim to be a libertarian, but you'd like to see the co-author of the Patriot Act in the white house?? Isn't that a complete contradiction?
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i still like Arianna Huffington for Vice President. She is better than all the rest combined! She is brilliant . Has a phenominal political accumen ... x republican, was married to a gay republican. a WOMAN, and an immigrant...(i'm pretty sure). She has National exposure by her book and NPR exposure on the syndicated Left Right and Middle talk show... (NPR national petroleum radio) never the less i feel a woman of her caliber has a better chance than some male general ... i think the "General" is a turn off ... us liberals don't need a military tool to lead us out of this christian mess of Dubya's
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Listen to all of you argue back and forth: Dean, Kerrey, thSs one, that one. You all, accurately, undercut each other, because each of your candidates is crucially flawed politically.

They're all just Bush Lite -- his junior partners. All of them accept the legitimacy of his administration. They just want to be the one to head it up. What all of you want to believe is that one or more of these hustlers is a man of principle and vision, democracy, freedom and prosperity.

None of them are. They're all front men for capitalism. Not one of them has the integrity of a pickle. They're all in Bush's barrel, along with the other Dems and Reps.

Start thinking about building a new party.

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