Dark Cobra

You tell me not to label a person based on appearance and behavior? HOW THE HELL DO I DESCRIBE THEM, THEN? Those two things are the only things that you can really decide what a person is like as you can't look at someone's brain and see what thoughts they are thinking (at least not yet).

"atheist-logical minded book-reading classical-music-fan idealist-romantic standard sillyness"? I have less standards than you do.

Mine is simply "atheist-logical, intelligent, scientific, good personality".

Also, I think you show you true face when you say "thinking yourself intelligent is dangerous". Yeah, okay, I'm of average intelligence (in other words, I'm stupid).

You can't be logical and rational and come to the conclusion there is a god (let alone the Christian one!) with the same evidence I've seen-- and that is none. It's not a belief required for survival. Sure, it may disappoint you, but guess what, NOT EVERYTHING GOES THE WAY YOU PLAN OR WANT IT TO BE.

Dark Cobra

I might not be able to like them if they are into the pop culture I loathe. That's just the way it is, it's not a choice of mine.


I think the problem is this: I am smart in a stupid world. I am shy, so I sit back and think instead of playing with the other kids. I see their irrationality, and I come to hate them and things associated with them. I grow intelligent to the point where I don't know anyone I can identify with. I isolate myself and begin to hate the pop-culture which scorns intelligence and is based on pure emotion. I eventually become a misanthrope, caring little about the lives of others, and since I have no emotional backup, no friends or people I'm in love with to stir some happy emotions into me, I am forced to find happiness through my own means, and I become hostile to people who could potentially be a threat to me. (Sure, he's nice now, but what if I was, say, a homosexual, I bet that kid would be mean to me then, in such a homophobic society).

It's not just who people appear to be, it's who people are, and I don't trust them.

Dark Cobra

Also, I have to deal with the fact that I would not be attracted to an unattractive person even though they had the perfect personality, but I would be attracted to someone physically attractive. :banghead:

It's normal. So what? I still feel guilty and awful for it. That I think better of a person just because they are pleasing to the eye.

It's inexcusable. To justify romantic feelings the person must be intellectually equal or superior to me or else I'll never forgive myself.

pariah

Please see a psychiatrist if your feelings don't change soon. What you said is actually fairly disturbing. It might be something more than just hating pop culture, whatever the case is, I doubt that many here (if any) are able to actually help you.

Dark Cobra

Due to hard-to-explain recent events, I CANNOT give any indications of insanity or of being disturbed.


I'm not violent, don't think I am. In fact, I hate a lot of violence, because it reeks of the common testosteronic attitude by many males my age.



I'm gaining more tolerance of people as time goes on. The above was just a description of how I turned out this way (hating pop culture and being untrusting of attractive people).

In the case of homophobes (that's just an example!), though, I could care little if they were all shipped off to Mars, theneither executed there or being treated like royalty, as long as they can't directly affect us. Such people are dangerous to society, and there are far to many of them.

Dark Cobra

Oops, I'm not hostile to people who are potentially a threat, I'm wary of them!

Non-praying Mantis

Did you even pay attention to my last few posts on page 5?

I bet the "little dark cobra" in your pants might have something different to say about that!

Many nice people also are not against equal rights for homosexuals. Don't be so quick to shove people into categories! If you spend time actually trying to communicate with them, they might surprise you.

You get inflamed debating on the internet? What, do you have hemerrhoids?

Or do you mean "flamed?" Not suprising that you get flamed, considering how you treat others.

If you mean angry, then perhaps you should learn to control your anger at others, and attempt to be nice, yourself.

And why CANNOT you fall in love with someone who is not a match? This is your own requirement, you can forget about it at first, or at least relax it a bit, until you get to know someone. This is something it took me a long time to learn as well:
You don't have to love every girl that you have a relationship with!

Why must you become angry at their ignorance? You could try educating them first, before you blow your top.

Work on that anger management for me, why don't you?

How did you determine this? By throughly investigating all of your classmates in Bellevue, Nebraska? I doubt it, but perhaps you aren't looking in the right place for intellectuals. High school is not the best place, and, no offense, Nebraska is not really known for being the "gathering ground" of geniuses.

Going off to college should give you a much better opportunity to find what you wish for. First, you will be surrounded by thousands (depending on the college, of course, pick a large one) of kids your age, and they will usually be from the top end of their classes (again, this depends on the particular college), i.e. the intellectual elite of their high schools. Second, your chances should be much better there, IF you make a good attempt to be friendly, and not be anti-social (which, with your current attitude, you won't). Finally, you get a chance to get out of the bible belt, and meet some other types of people!



Let me share with you a secret way to see what people are thinking...

...TALK TO THEM! Sheesh, give them a chance before pidgeonholeing them into the "Tittany Spears" crowd. Don't judge a book by it's cover.



I agree with you there. Teenage life usually sucks for intellectuals, but don't take that to mean that THE REST of life has to suck, as well. Not by a long shot. You should have a long life ahead of you, so go ahead and live it!



Pot. Kettle. Black!

I second that. It appears that you might be "just a tad" anti-social.

NPM

Dark Cobra

Basically, you are telling me to use them for sex???

One of the best ways I've found to judge people is to overhear what they say.

I do make exceptions, you know, if the person does not have an annoying attitude. However, the majority of the time the person pisses me off. The chances of me liking someone who calls everything they don't like "gay" is slim. Is that not understandable?

Is it understandable? Most teens, you know, do just that. That's that ignorance, that pop-culture mentality that sickens me.

Stiletto One

*sigh*

And you say you aren't twisting what we're saying.

I'm not saying that you should give it a chance because it's popular. I'm saying you shouldn't not give it a chance because it's popular. There's nothing wrong with liking a few aspects of popular culture (I know I dislike/hate most of it), just don't get sucked into it.

Sex is not just for the pretty and charismatic (I'm ugly as sin, and about as charming as a dead skunk�then again, I'm not sexually active), but regardless, relationships should not be formed with the sole purpose of sex.

As for missing out on teenage life: I'm not talking about drunken/high parties or whatever. I mean stuff like going out and doing stuff with friends, be it a quiet (heh) get-together for some four-way Halo, or a combined study group (they can be pretty hilarious even if you're being productive), or a trip to a tea house in the middle of Bumfuck, East Nowhere, or even sneaking the girlfriend out for a three-AM walk/drive to nowhere in particular�without having to worry about work or Teh Prof murdering you or any of that bullshit that older people have to worry about.

Basically, make some friends, then go out and do stuff with them. That's what being a teenager's about, in my opinion. Or, if it suits you, making some friends and then NOT going out and doing stuff with them, and then laughing at them when they do dumb stuff like get speeding tickets in residential areas. Point is, whether you like it or not, you need other people in order to be mentally healthy�it's just how us simians are wired. Maybe not friends (I know I have almost as much fun with my enemies ), but at least people you can hang around when you feel like getting away from yourself for an hour or two.

Pardon me if I'm waxing sentimental. My girlfriend's a year older, and starting college. That particular gap is making both of us start to feel like we're starting to leave our 'teenage years'.

Note to old people who are laughing at what I just said: Bite me.

"Little dark cobra in your pants": Mantis, we're trying to keep physical lust and 'love' (whatever the hell that means) separate here. Already had enough of a flamewar on that.

"Teenage life usually sucks for intellectuals": Not necessarily. Get some intellectual/geek friends, and do intellectual/geek stuff with them. Teenage life doesn't have to equate to American Pie.

Cobra: Try calling things that you think are st00pid "lesbian" around said people. It's great watching the puzzled looks on their faces.

His remark on homophobes, while extreme (ship 'em off, so long as I don't have to deal with them) is actually something I agree with. It smacks of eugenics, but it would be nice if we could do something on a societal level to get rid of idiots. Never mind the problem of defining 'idiot' from the legal standpoint. :banghead:

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Dark Cobra

Ugly as sin, charismatic as a dead sunk, and not sexually active. That fits in with what I said...

What you said does not follow... you disagree with what I said, said something that could be seen as an instance where I am correct, and then make a statement irrelevent to what you disagreed with.

I don't really have friends... I don't share any interests with my peers! Don't tell me it's not because I don't talk to people-- there are some people I talk to, but NO ONE has the same interests I do here. How many teenagers have you ever known to enjoy sitting around on internet message boards debating philosphy, science, etc with mostly adults? I do all the time, and I am one of the few teenagers on the boards I go to. Do you wonder why that is? The fact is, I share few interests with anyone.

I am not interested in what other teenagers (at least the vast majority of them) are interested in.

I can crush almost anyone I disagree with in debate, at least on the internet. Why don't I join debate class? Well, for one thing, that's mostly politics, and that usually gets nowhere because most ideas are based on some sort of philosophic principle or just flat-our opinion, and from what I've heard conceding in debate is bad (so if you know you're wrong you are supposed to defend you POV dogmatically).


The only other rational teenagers I have come across were over the internet, and there are very few of them as well!

The vast majority of teenagers are like American Pie (didn't see the movie but I think I have an idea of what's in it).

And then be branded a "homo" for saying bad things about lesbians, and being used by other people are a humor device?

Eugenics? How so? I want them shipped off not because they have "bad genes" or anything but because I don't want the idiots to have any effect on society with their irrational ideas. (this is a republic, where idiots elect idiots)

(most teenagers probably don't know what eugencs is )


.... I just realized something. People claim that it gets better in college, and that high school isn't exactly the best place to find intellectuals... well, isn't that conceding that I AM right about most teenagers?