HelenM

If you want to discuss the studies, then I suggest you be specific and name the ones to which you're referring.

If one of them is Rind then here are some notes questioning its credibility.

Helen

Daleth

yguy, This is a sick thread. There was no reason to post it at all. Advocating pedophilia and advocating gay rights have nothing in common except in your mind.

Should people who've agreed with Fr Andrew on political matters come post on this thread to make sure their political view is not mistaken for agreeing with what Fr Andrew said about kids and sex? Say they agreed that NY State should have to pay up all the money they've withheld from NYC public schools. Homosexuality and gay rights have as little in common with this topic as politics. I know you disagree. I don't care. I have no intention of playing by your sick rules.

Dal

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): I posted the link this morning to a paper which defended its credibility. So we're even.
No, I have no desire to discuss the studies. I think it's established (even without the studies) that it's false to assert that all intergenerational sex is harmful to the child, and I think it's plain (even without the studies) that some adults look back on childhood intergenerational sexual experiences favourably.
Which is all I've said.
Over and out.

cheetah

Well said! However, this is yguy's normal MO, and he has yet to show that his points boil down to anything more than "well, it is OBVIOUS to me" so I don't imagine this will yet stop him. You see, regardless of ANY evidence to the contrary, he will continue to link homosexuality to pedophilia, ultimately because it is "obvious" to him. Good luck

yguy

For one thing, I've never heard of an advocate of pedophilia who did not think homosexual rights are a given. For another, the rationalizations for both are similar, based nothing more than the idea that traditional morality is not necessarily good rather than on any positive foundation; i.e., the justifications are essentially a subtraction from an established moral code rather than a claim of any new truth.

Thank you, this is the sort of thing I wanted to hear.

Maybe you guys should just ignore Christians too, huh? Or do advocates for traditional marriage somehow qualify as more odious than apologists for pedophilia, and therefore more deserving of attention?

yguy

The connection seems to have found a home in Fr. Andrew's as well.

yguy

I already think that. I also think pedophilia and overeating and other addictions are related, if only distantly. What I will deduce from any lack of condemnation is that homosexual rights advocates lack the courage to stand up to their wayward ideological children.

Daleth

When I see Fr. Andrew post something that suggests that link, I'll call him on it as well. So far I only see you making it.

I imagine Fr. Andrew thinks murder is wrong. Has he, then, made a connection in his mind between murder being wrong but pedophilia being OK? Perhaps all of us should reconsider our positions on murder because we agree with Fr. Andrew, or any time we say murder is wrong we should add "but that doesn't mean I think intergeneration sex is OK".

yguy

This your idea of a joke?

I've addressed this angle in my posts to Lobstrosity and Helen. I'll add here that owning that murder is wrong is supportive of one aspect of traditional morality. Implying that pedophilia may be positive in some cases, as Fr. Andrew has done, is a subversion of it. What he's actually saying is that pedophilia isn't necessarily a problem, the fact that we SEE pedophilia as necessarily a problem is the problem.

Daleth

Not at all. Am I missing the posts where Fr. Andrew says that if you think homosexuality is moral then you must think that intergenerational sex is moral as well? Or that intergenerational sex is OK for the same reasons homosexuality is OK? It's possible I've missed these, but from what I've read, you're the only one connecting homosexuality and pedophilia.

OK, so I'm only responsible for making sure that I distance myself from all non-traditional morality that I disagree with. So people who advocate against beating children as a form of correction (which opposes traditional morality) should also come here and post how they are disgusted by what Fr. Andrew said, or else they can be presumed to agree with him or to "lack the courage to stand up to their wayward ideological children".