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Old 08-13-2003, 10:30 PM   #81
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More to do with adoption, that all things being equal, it would indicate that gay men (in general !) are substantially more promiscuous than straight couples, promiscuity being a characteristic I think not so beneficial to child rearing (call me a prude).
I don't care if statistics show that 99% of gays are promiscuous. How does that have anything to do with the 1% that aren't (i.e., the ones that are most likely to want to adopt children)?
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... the 1% that aren't (i.e., the ones that are most likely to want to adopt children)?
How do you draw that conclusion ?
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But RD, the speed at which AIDS spread through the male gay community was not just marginally quicker than through the straight community. It was stunningly quicker. At face value, this could not be the case if only a "few" or even "some" were promiscuous. It could only have occurred if a substantial proportion, if not most, of the gay community was promiscuous at the time.
It spread faster because you have twice the guys who think they are two macho to wear a condom, it had nothing to do with the fact they were homosexual.
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I don�t follow, my understanding was that needle-sharing had a very high probability of transmission & needle sharing was extremely common amongst drug addicts, hence the rapid transmission through the intravenous drug community as well. Nothing to do with marriage per se. More to do with adoption, that all things being equal, it would indicate that gay men (in general !) are substantially more promiscuous than straight couples, promiscuity being a characteristic I think not so beneficial to child rearing (call me a prude).

Who voted to let you decide who gets to have kids? I didn't get to vote who else has kids, doesn't really seem fair.

And you really shouldn't make blanketed statements about people you obviously know so little about.
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The Constitution and its subsequent amendments were designed to protect and expand individual liberties, such as granting women the right to vote and establishing that separate is not equal. The Constitution was not designed to revoke or restrict these liberties.

If the amendment makes it through the difficult process necessary to amend the Constitution, this would be the first time in history that the Constitution was amended to restrict the rights of a whole class of people, in conflict with its guiding principle to provide equal protection for all.


Marriage, other forms of relationship recognition and basic civil rights protections are essential components that make all families, including families headed by same-sex couples, safer and more secure.
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I don�t follow, my understanding was that needle-sharing had a very high probability of transmission & needle sharing was extremely common amongst drug addicts, hence the rapid transmission through the intravenous drug community as well. Nothing to do with marriage per se. More to do with adoption, that all things being equal, it would indicate that gay men (in general !) are substantially more promiscuous than straight couples, promiscuity being a characteristic I think not so beneficial to child rearing (call me a prude).
Perhaps this promiscuity stems somewhat from the fact that the option of marriage isn't there for gay people?

From my own experience, straight people can and are often equally promiscuous as gay people - UNTIL they 'settle down' and (as is most often the case) get married. If this 'settling down and getting married' option is not there, then it'd be very easy to see how promiscuous behaviour could continue.

Do we ask straight couples about their previous sexual history when vetting them for potential adoption? Do you really think that if two men are a COUPLE and want to start a FAMILY that they are at the same time involved in an extremely promiscuous lifestyle?

I would challenge you to go to any popular (straight) nightclub and tell me that promiscuity is not RAMPANT in straight society.
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Who voted to let you decide who gets to have kids? I didn't get to vote who else has kids, doesn't really seem fair.

And you really shouldn't make blanketed statements about people you obviously know so little about.
I don�t understand this post. Can you more specifically address a particular post of mine to indicate where the flaw is.
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The Constitution and its subsequent amendments were designed to protect and expand individual liberties, such as granting women the right to vote and establishing that separate is not equal. The Constitution was not designed to revoke or restrict these liberties.

If the amendment makes it through the difficult process necessary to amend the Constitution, this would be the first time in history that the Constitution was amended to restrict the rights of a whole class of people, in conflict with its guiding principle to provide equal protection for all.


Marriage, other forms of relationship recognition and basic civil rights protections are essential components that make all families, including families headed by same-sex couples, safer and more secure.
I don�t understand the point of this post either. I already clearly said it had nothing to do with marriage.
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Perhaps this promiscuity stems somewhat from the fact that the option of marriage isn't there for gay people?

From my own experience, straight people can and are often equally promiscuous as gay people - UNTIL they 'settle down' and (as is most often the case) get married. If this 'settling down and getting married' option is not there, then it'd be very easy to see how promiscuous behaviour could continue.

Do we ask straight couples about their previous sexual history when vetting them for potential adoption?
No, likely it would be far too easy to mislead the answer anyway.
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Do you really think that if two men are a COUPLE and want to start a FAMILY that they are at the same time involved in an extremely promiscuous lifestyle?
I don�t know. I see the possibility in straight couples, so I don�t see why it shouldn�t be the case in gay couples.
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I would challenge you to go to any popular (straight) nightclub and tell me that promiscuity is not RAMPANT in straight society.
I agree. The distinction is harder to make today because the factor of AIDS awareness is well understood and the degree to which precautions are used plays a major role.

But back in the early days, AIDS awareness was pretty equal between straight and gay, and safe sex generally referred to the female contraceptive pill rather than STD protection.

And yet AIDS spread just so much more rapidly through the gay community. Maybe someone can provide those early rates of infection, maybe even a comparison between the two communities. So far I can�t see how this can be anything other than an indicator of substantially higher promiscuity during that period.

Neither do I see much indication that this level of promiscuity have changed so radically in the time since then. Maybe an increase in heterosexual promiscuity during that period ? I�m open to studies.
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