Ed

Thank you Starboy.

Ed

First, Hitler was not a christian, read Ian Kershaw's excellent bio. Second, most of the Christians who went on the Crusades had not had their "spiritual DNA" fixed.

Bree

IIRC, Hitler was a professed Lutheran. Whether or not Hitler conformed to your idea of True Christian™ is another story.

lpetrich

No, he had been a Catholic. He never renounced the Church, and the Church never excommunicated him. And in Mein Kampf, he had said things like

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: _by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord._" (italics in original)

and elswhere claimed that fighting the Jews was following the example of Jesus Christ's famous Temple temper tantrum.

NOGO

Ed, Since you seem to know exactly what Yahweh may have thought tell us this. Why does Yahweh love heterosexual sex and hates homosexual sex?

And while we are on the subject of sex let me put another question to you.

Animals have sexual urges. The purpose of sex is repreduction. If animals did not have sexual urges they would become exstinguished within a generation.

What about man? Why do we have sexual urges? God gaves a brain and intelligence. We can chose to have sex as we can chose not to as you point out above. With out intelligence we can chose to reproduce. So why have sexual urges like the animals?
Man could have been an intellectual being who mates solely for reproduction purposes when he chose to reproduce.

So the question is this:
Why did God give humans sexual urges when in fact with our intellect we do not need it?
And why make a fuss about these sexual urges when we misuse them when in fact we do not need them?

Evolution explains this situation quite well. We are fundamentally animals with a bigger brain. We inherited our sexual urges from our animal ancestors.

Ed

Everyone deserves death but in most cases only God has the right to determine WHEN our death occurs.


Almost every quote you have used has been out of context. Especially the context of the scriptures teachings on death. See Romans 3:23.

See my post on January 31.

So you admit that it is irrational to treat humans as more important than other species?



He does know you directly and that is why he can pick the most perfect representative for you. Apparently representation may be necessary in the spiritual dimension.

No, God feared FOR them, because they would live forever in sin and misery now that they had intimate knowledge of both good AND evil. See Genesis 3:22.

No, I explained how we can fix our sinful nature, see above.

This is the end of part I of my response.

Jack the Bodiless

If everyone deserves death, and humans can deliver this death by carrying out genocide on God's behalf: that is the morality which allows the Holocaust and the genocide of the Amalekites. Any Christian can kill anyone else, for any reason or no reason: all they have to do is convince themselves that they're doing God's will. And how can any other Christian deny this possibility? If one Christian convinces another that it's God's will, then that second Christian has a duty to join in.

You don't even have to go back to the 1940's. Christian priests took part in the Rwandan genocide.
Yet another irrelevant Bible verse?

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God".

Yes, I already know that Paul was mentally ill. It's perfectly obvious that newborn babies have not sinned! How is this relevant?

Nonsense doesn't become true just because Paul says so. Nor is Paul's madness relevant to the Old Testament. More importantly, such a doctrine says nothing about the punishment of innocents FOR THE CRIMES OF OTHERS.
Again you are hallucinating. You have NEVER demonstrated that metaphysical naturalism is "fatally flawed", on January 31st or any other date.

See my post on February 29th.
My position is clear. I have dealt with this so MANY times that further repetition is unnecessary.

I won. You lost. Get over it.
You don't know what "omnisicient" means. And now you're inventing more garbage about the properties of the "spiritual dimension".
...Which, of course, says nothing of the kind. This is Genesis 3:22-23:
The Bible is clear: they are ejected from Eden because they have gained one divine power, becoming "as one of us", and might take another to become immortal.

Why do you bother with lies that are so easily checked? If you lie so often about what the Bible says, then why shouldn't I assume that you are also lying about other sources which you claim in support of your position, like Kershaw's biography of Hitler or Green's opinion on Biblical genealogies?

Theli

Kind of a long thread...

Ed

No, everyone is responsible individually to repent, noone can do it for you not even your parents.

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jtb: And God's reason for ejecting Adam and Eve from Eden is plainly stated in Genesis: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden". You really don't know your Bible very well, do you?

Yes, God did not want us to be like gods and also corrupted by sin. It would have turned earth into a living hell.

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Ed: No, the Christian DOES have a rational basis for what OUGHT to be. As I demonstrated using laws of logic to demonstrate the existence of the Christian God and his moral character, upon which Christian morality is based on. God's existence also provides a rational basis for the existence of emotion. Whereas atheism does not, because it believes that emotion comes from non-emotion. While Christianity teaches that our emotion comes from a pre-existing form of emotion. jtb: You have never demonstrated the existence of the Christian God, or his moral character. Nor have you ever provided a rational basis for the existence of God's emotions, and you admitted that you had none. And there is absolutely no reason why emotion cannot come from non-emotion: this is more "things with a label cannot come from things without that label" garbage. Furthermore, EVERY emotional being we know of was originally non-emotional (before its brain developed).

Fraid so, using the law of causality. The law of sufficient cause applies to the existence emotions. Emotional beings have the built in potential for emotion at conception.

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ng: Totally irrelavant. It is true that if your lawyer makes mistakes in representing you then you will suffer the consequences. In such cases you have been misrepresented and therefore unjustly found guilty. This is where the analogy falls apart. Not just a bit but completely falls apart. Perhaps for humans law and justice system we have to make due. Ignorance of the law or its application can lead to improper defence however God's system of law and justice should be above any such considerations. Ed: No, the difference is we have not been misrepresented. Our representative was perfect. jtb: It is absolutely impossible for billions upon billions of very different people to be perfectly represented by TWO people..

The only way you could know this is if you were omniscient.

Ed

No, God knows that we would have done the very same thing in the same situation.