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SecularFuture · 03-16-2003, 01:19 AM

I'll be back shortly with a collective response. I'm under tons of work right now.

SecularFuture · 05-23-2003, 10:02 PM

7thangel

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� As parting notes, Faith, like theory, is a hope.�

Faith is a blind belief in something without facts.
A Theory is a belief in something that is supported by facts.

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� And the Christians, who have basis of their faith, though irrational to you, have a reasonable point on their faith.�

No they do not! What is the basis for their faith? Faith in supernatural concepts and faith in a book that could have been written by anyone with spare time and a little imagination. Christian logic is based on circular reasoning.

Radcliffe Emerson · 05-24-2003, 02:50 PM

The universe had NO intelligent creator. Christians always say God cannot be known. If something cannot be known, you can't turn around and say you know what its will is. You can't even say you know what it is or that it is, because you've already said it's unknowable.
Also, if something cannot be known, you can't know that it created anything or how it created anything.
Science is pretty certain how the universe started. And it wasn't from some unknown source.

The universe is subject to natural laws. Nothing can exist in, or outside the universe that does not conform to those laws.
So an unknowable god that performs all sorts of miraculous b.s. that mysteriously stopped happening in the last 2 millenia is the pure imagination of the people who made it up.
Humans invented gods, gods did not invent humans.

johngalt · 05-24-2003, 02:59 PM

i think i was 10 when i stopped believing in god. Seven is really young.

SecularFuture · 05-26-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by johngalt
i think i was 10 when i stopped believing in god. Seven is really young.

I was 13 when I became an atheist.

I never was really able to believe in things without reason or evidence, or just believe in something because someone told me to. I had way too much common sense and intelligence.

Radcliffe Emerson · 05-26-2003, 06:58 PM

SF, you don't believe in something just because you're told to?
My My My......

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03-16-2003, 01:19 AM	#51
SecularFuture Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,866	I'll be back shortly with a collective response. I'm under tons of work right now.

05-24-2003, 02:50 PM	#53
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	The universe had NO intelligent creator. Christians always say God cannot be known. If something cannot be known, you can't turn around and say you know what its will is. You can't even say you know what it is or that it is, because you've already said it's unknowable. Also, if something cannot be known, you can't know that it created anything or how it created anything. Science is pretty certain how the universe started. And it wasn't from some unknown source. The universe is subject to natural laws. Nothing can exist in, or outside the universe that does not conform to those laws. So an unknowable god that performs all sorts of miraculous b.s. that mysteriously stopped happening in the last 2 millenia is the pure imagination of the people who made it up. Humans invented gods, gods did not invent humans.

05-24-2003, 02:59 PM	#54
johngalt Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 204	i think i was 10 when i stopped believing in god. Seven is really young.

05-26-2003, 06:58 PM	#56
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	SF, you don't believe in something just because you're told to? My My My......

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