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Old 05-22-2002, 03:01 PM   #131
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'Alternative medical practices' seem to have had a fair amount of success with a lot of these conditions. (Conventional medicine doesn't even have the anecdotal evidence for treating TS that altmed does... not without horrific side effects.)
The burden of proof is on you. They are your claims.

From the National Institute of Health <a href="http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/tourette.htm" target="_blank"> (NIH) </a> website.

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Is there any treatment?
The majority of people with TS require no medication, but medication is available to help when symptoms interfere with functioning. TS medications are only able to help reduce specific symptoms. Neuroleptic and antihypertensive drugs can have long- and short-term side effects, and use of stimulants is controversial. Relaxation techniques and biofeedback may be useful in alleviating stress.

What is the prognosis?
There is no cure for TS; however, the condition in many individuals improves as they mature. Individuals with TS can expect to live a normal life span. Although TS is generally lifelong and chronic, it is not degenerative. In a few cases, complete remission occurs after adolescence
Chemotherapeutic agents for cancer have horrific side effects. Would you refuse that too? Maybe look for some Laetrile tablets on the internet?

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You know this 'web' thing we're on gurdy? It's a wunderbar source of information.
You know the Bible, Corwin ?
It's a wonderful source on non-chemical trreatment of epilepsy, demon-possession and raising people from the dead.

I heartily recommend it to you.

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Go to about.com and do a search for tourette's syndrome, add in keywords like 'homeopathy' and 'medical marijuana' and 'biofeedback' and 'alternative.' That should get you started.
Go to the Bible and have all your questions answered !

Oh, BTW, I studied neurology at uni.
Or IOW, I'm hardly new to all of this.

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Unless you're gonna pull a Star Jones and want to not have anything to do with anything outside your little orthodox world, for fear of contamination.
Oh come now, Corwin, unless you're gonna pull a Corwin and want to not have anything to do with anything outside your little orthodox world, for fear of contamination, then I heartily recommend the Bible to you.
Or possibly the Koran too !
No need to be prejudiced after all....
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Chemo drugs can and frequently do have horrible side effects. Most of which can be alleviated by naturopathic remedies, such as sativa varieties of marijuana. The two forms of medicine don't have to be in opposition to each other.
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Chemo drugs can and frequently do have horrible side effects. Most of which can be alleviated by naturopathic remedies, such as sativa varieties of marijuana. The two forms of medicine don't have to be in opposition to each other.
Oh come now, Corwin, don't be coy, we're still waiting for you to back up your claims with evidence on the success of alternative treatments for TS.

Or possibly you don't have any ?
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Nevermind. Good luck everyone.

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Well gurdy... since you're clearly too lazy to do this yourself...

<a href="http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm" target="_blank">http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm</a>

<a href="http://12.31.13.47/HealthNews/reuters/NewsStory0402200241.htm" target="_blank">http://12.31.13.47/HealthNews/reuters/NewsStory0402200241.htm</a>

<a href="http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/2950.1620" target="_blank">http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/2950.1620</a>

These are just the ones I pulled up fairly easily.... unfortunately a lot of sites I found had the typical 'well I've had a huge number of patients tell me that they've used naturopathic or homeopathic medication for this disorder and had it work beautifully... but I've never bothered to look into it so I'm going to keep perscribing a drug that rots their brains... besides... I have a yacht to pay for and if they don't like it, it isn't all THAT bad... they can just deal with the symptoms.'

Ok I'm paraphrasing.... I admit that.
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Thanks for the patience, both of you. I don't suppose it occurred to either of you that I might be doing exactly that? No... of course not.
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Corwin...

So that's a "No" on the use of the smallpox virus in vaccines? Hard to see what it has to do with dilution then. As I said earlier, if you dilute blowfish toxin to homeopathic levels, it will be harmless.

As for domestic animals, that vets practice it on them proves nothing. Where is the evidence that it does anything to those animals at all, other than comfort their owners? When alternative medicine violates the known laws of physics and provides nothing but anecdotal evidence, don't expect it to get much credit.
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Well gurdy...
You're really obsessed with me, aren't you ?

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since you're clearly too lazy to do this yourself...
Why should I do your work for you ?
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<a href="http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm" target="_blank">http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm</a>
So viatmins may help certain TS sufferers.
Uh huh ! Nobel Prize time !
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....Dr. Kirsten Mueller-Vahl of the Hanover Medical College in Germany led a team that investigated the effects of chemicals called cannabinols in 12 adult Tourette's patients. ....
So I guess you are either terribly mistaken or you are a liar, Corwin, when you claimed there was no medical research into so-called alternative methods, and that those nasty, nasty doctors just weren't paying attention.

As I said, there are ongoing medical studies.
But you haven't produced any hard, verified evidence yet, have you ?

And you still haven't produced any evidence at all as yet for classical homeopathy.

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These are just the ones I pulled up fairly easily.... unfortunately a lot of sites I found had the typical 'well I've had a huge number of patients tell me that they've used naturopathic or homeopathic medication for this disorder and had it work beautifully... but I've never bothered to look into it so I'm going to keep perscribing a drug that rots their brains... besides... I have a yacht to pay for and if they don't like it, it isn't all THAT bad... they can just deal with the symptoms.'

Ok I'm paraphrasing.... I admit that.
How about substituting the word "lying" for "paraphrasing" above

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Thanks for the patience, both of you.
Don't mention it.
Just don't whine.

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I don't suppose it occurred to either of you that I might be doing exactly that? No... of course not.
I don't suppose it occurred to you that you might not be making much sense? No... of course not.
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I wonder where we would be if the tens of billions of dollars spent on unproven therapies was spent developing medicine that actually works? Hell, we could do that and have enough money left over to test the efficacy of various unproven therapies.
 
 

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