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Old 01-18-2003, 10:55 AM   #11
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The type of multiculturalism here is not a melting pot. Its a "fortify and seperate" mentality. Of course some cultures are not welcome.

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Agreed. I'm about as liberal as you can get, but even I was a bit astounded they have a WHOLE COURSE dedicated to Lesbian Studies at the university I'm going to. Talk about special interest curriculum. How can they run these classes if they're so obviously vacant? I just don't get how you could fill up an entire course with material about lesbians in general. This PC stuff is a bit much.

Oh, and you are so right Funball. I may fall under the category of liberal, but I don't get all partisan and use conservative like a curse word. My dad does that. Gets on my nerves. Everything is the conservative's fault, we're surrounded by conservatives, blah blah blah. He's also a staunch Democrat, so that speaks for itself. Republicans and Democrats are interlocked in a desperate battle to the death. I don't screw around with that, I pick my politics from what I think is beneficial to human beings. Not because some party platform tells me to think this way or that. Then again, the Republicans have it together a lot more than the Democrats. Some fringe conservatives are leaving the Republican party, but there's a lot more deserters on the Democrat side. Like me. They're not progressive anymore. They just pick platforms because they oppose the Republicans. Bleh.
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Old 01-18-2003, 01:59 PM   #12
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i agree. i'll probably still vote for the dems (for the spoiler factor), but the party really has given into special interests and has become more moderate overall i feel, a natrual progression once they lock in the lefties. i'm more of a liberal "progressive" democrat too, so my views lie more in line with the greens
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I once read an article about how to determine when someone is trying to convince you of their POV and when someone is trying to encourage you to discover on your own based on voice tones, side statements and a few other tricks. I use it to this day to try and uncover bias from either side.

The right wing bullhorns all over TV, print and radio today always speak in the "Everybody knows, Only an idiot would think, its so obvious, ect." The way they speak is always intended to enrage, influence, or if you're liberal in any way, belittle you.

One thing I'm noticing about all the conservative bullhorns is that they have done a better job of separating the various factions of their right side in the public eye- the libertarians, the religionists, the capitalists, -while everything on the left has been clumped together simply as Liberal (unless it's Republican endorsed legislation like corporate welfare, a huge new branch of Govt, faith based initiatives or more federal spending in general). Progressives, reformers, multiculturalists, socialists, communists; all described by the media as just �liberal�.
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he was on hannity and colmes tonight, and good god this guy is a moron. he calls liberalism a "mental disorder" and says he has the following problems with them:

-they take prayer out of schools
-they take the ten commandments out of public buildings
-they support the perverts in the boy scouts (whatever this means)
-they want to teach kids to hate america

blah blah blah...

where do they get these people?

I listen to Michael Savage a lot. He's one of my favorite talk show hosts, besides Sean Hannity, Lionel, and Ernie Brown (America Live). I don't agree with everything they say though. I personally don't like lefties myself, at the same time I hate right wingers as well. Both have a serious mental disorder and disease, mostly I see it on the Left, but it also in on the Right as well. I am above left and right. He attacks religious fundamentalism a lot. He says it screws your mind over. If you want prayer in school, then privatize it, don't make it public. That goes same with the Ten Commandments. On the Boy Scouts, they are a private group, so they can discriminate against openly gay. Besides, its no one's business to know who is gay or not. That's in the bedroom and its private. On multiculturalism, I am opposed to it, because they practice racism and discrimination. Also, I hate people teaching kids to hate America. Its wrong to hate your own country. Both extreme Left and Right are anti-American. The Left is usually more vocal on being anti-American and see it as fashionable.
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I personally don't like lefties myself, at the same time I hate right wingers as well. Both have a serious mental disorder and disease, mostly I see it on the Left, but it also in on the Right as well. I am above left and right.

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On multiculturalism, I am opposed to it, because they practice racism and discrimination. Also, I hate people teaching kids to hate America. Its wrong to hate your own country.
Gee. What a post.
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Savage is genuine evil, sent to lead the brainless toward the light of hatred. Savage created his current self after several other versions failed to draw an audience, and after having failed to make his millions hawking herbal remedies. There are some interesting websites which give background on Savage.

Here's a good starting place. http://www.michaelsavagesucks.com If you dig far enough, you'll see that Savage actually used his radio show to underhandedly incite his listeners to harm the operators of the site. The guy really is a steaming pile of excrement.

The frightening aspect of Savage is that there is an audience for his hatred. A good number of people actually think this idiot makes sense, which is truly scary.
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Oddly enough, michael savage is from the very non-conservative bay area, attended and taught at Berkeley.

He is a friend of a friend and they say it is all an act, just more infotainment.
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. . . they say it is all an act, just more infotainment.
It appears to me that's like saying "I was only joking when I shouted "FIRE!" in the crowded theater", and expecting to therefore be able to deny any complicity in the deaths/injuries experienced in the panicked stampede.

I've got no problems with satire, and there are plenty of people in all portions of the politcal spectrum that are deserving of satirization. But too much of this "infotainment" seems to boil down to an incitement to hate.

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I've got no problems with satire, and there are plenty of people in all portions of the politcal spectrum that are deserving of satirization. But too much of this "infotainment" seems to boil down to an incitement to hate.
Agreed. People want to defend these wingnut "infotainers" on the basis that they're not to be taken seriously. Crap. I live in the middle of people who think Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc. are "brilliant" and "patriotic."

It's one thing to fudge the data on global warming and Reagan tax-cuts - but when they start hammering the war drums - that's not something to be kidding around with.
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I agree that Savage is full of crap for the most part and actually I get upset when he agrees with my opinions on any level, because it probably undermines my positions. Take for exsample my opinion that immigration needs to be seriously overhauled and controlled for safety, wage and rent reasons (consider how many people are actually unemployed while illegal immigrants are getting work under the table). But Savage goes so over the top in his insults to people and scare tactics that any regulated immigration ideas by others may seem to be based purely on bigotry.

I just rarely listen to him because he is like a trainwreck, and sometimes he is funny. I loved how he called Janet Reno - Janet Sterno, that rocked! But she is one of the rare people who deserve to be attacked by Savage.
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