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Old 04-30-2003, 04:16 PM   #71
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I've noticed lately that you've posted this statement in various forms all through the Science and Skepticism forum. Why the obsession? Where do you get the idea that "the only other explanation yet offered is that nothing is the cause of such motion"?
It's the only one anyone has seen fit to give me up to now, if memory serves.

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That is nonsense. That is such an elementary concept it's in just about every reliable physics book. The motion of electrons is caused by the electromagnetic attraction bewteen its negative charge and the positive charge of protons in the nucleus and makes the electron orbit it. It is also discharging virtual massless particles of spin 1 that make the electron recoil and it is also absorbing those particles from other electrons. Are you suggesting there is a predictable pattern from where, when, how, and why the particle is emitting from the electron?
I'm not saying it's predictable, I'm just suggesting that it has a cause.

Here's another question: what keeps the electron from crashing into the nucleus, seeing how its natural tendency would apparently be to be attracted to it? Evidently it has some sort of kinetic energy that enables it to stay in orbit. Where does that energy come from?

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I don't see any difference in arguing for god being behind particle motion than arguing for god being behind every breath I take as if he had invisible, undetectable hands contracting my lungs like bellows. Science does not have to disprove such silly assertions. Those assertions have to be proved first. We are down to the burden of proof argument.
Again, I have not accepted such a burden, not having asserted that God is the cause. OTOH, many here have emphatically asserted that God is NOT the cause.
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:21 PM   #72
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Quantum uncertainty.
No room for god there, either.
Yeah, that's as authoritative as your high school level explanation for lightning. You think I can't fluently parrot such technobabylonian gobbledygook as well as you can?
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:04 PM   #73
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I didn't ask for a DESCRIPTION of their random motion, I asked WHY they behave randomly.
What makes you think there is a reason why?
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:21 PM   #74
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Yeah, that's as authoritative as your high school level explanation for lightning. You think I can't fluently parrot such technobabylonian gobbledygook as well as you can?
Do you insult everything you can't follow?
FYI, I understand what I'm writing. You evidently don't. My "high school explanation" of lightning is correct. Or do you really think it's god tossing thunderbolts?
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:53 PM   #75
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Do you insult everything you can't follow?
FYI, I understand what I'm writing.
No you don't. Even though I know almost nothing about QM, I can compare the depth of your answers to those of others here who are knowledgable. You're obviously not in their league.

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My "high school explanation" of lightning is correct.
Sure it is, as far as it goes.
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:57 PM   #76
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What makes you think there is a reason why?
What makes you think there isn't?

What made Newton think there was a reason the apple falls but the moon doesn't?
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Old 04-30-2003, 06:06 PM   #77
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No you don't. Even though I know almost nothing about QM, I can compare the depth of your answers to those of others here who are knowledgable. You're obviously not in their league.
I'm the in-house translator at the national science (physics) lab in Tokyo. Your evil personal attack on me is rather amusing.
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Sure it is, as far as it goes.
You won't find one more accurate. What's your problem?
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Old 04-30-2003, 06:41 PM   #78
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I'm the in-house translator at the national science (physics) lab in Tokyo. Your evil personal attack on me is rather amusing.
I don't suppose I can fault you for saving your intelligence for work, but I haven't seen much of it here. Your replies to me are consistently shallow and cliche-ridden to my mind, which is why you get so few responses from me compared to others.

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You won't find one more accurate. What's your problem?
"And we do know what causes lightening: a massive buildup of static electricity, with the positive charge at the top and the negative charge at the bottom, due to the friction of water droplets in the cloud. Ultimately, the charge has to go somewhere, so it flows to earth<snip>"

For starters: most lightning strikes never hit the ground, the negative charge is not always at the bottom, you left out the stepped leader from the cloud and the positive streamer that comes up to meet it, and the return stroke from the ground - along with why all that stuff happens.
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I don't suppose I can fault you for saving your intelligence for work, but I haven't seen much of it here. Your replies to me are consistently shallow and cliche-ridden to my mind, which is why you get so few responses from me compared to others.
You are bitter, aren't you? This name-calling is amusing, though. Keep it up. I could do with a belly laugh.
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[BFor starters: most lightning strikes never hit the ground, the negative charge is not always at the bottom, you left out the stepped leader from the cloud and the positive streamer that comes up to meet it, and the return stroke from the ground - along with why all that stuff happens. [/B]
You asked for a basic explanation. I figured you couldn't handle anything more complex. After all, your supposed rebuttals to atheism on these boards has been utter drivel to date. Your default position seems to be, "I can't prove it, but dang it, I just know that god exists."
Try writing that on a science paper and see how far it gets you in an exam.
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You asked for a basic explanation.
I didn't ask for anything whatsoever. You replied to a post directed at someone else, who likely understands lightning better than you do, and therefore knew the limiations of knowledge in the area well enough to see the folly in making glib pronouncements.
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