Badfish

http://www.contenderministries.org/e...n/carbon14.php

I found this. It basically backs up what I was saying, also my physics teacher who is relatively reknowned for being an Entropy and mathematical expert concurs and admits that dating methods have not shown to be exact.

The truth is that science will pick the date which best suits their findings, and many of you seem to put faith in that fallible science.

Spaz

When you misuse something, duh, it's not gonna work as intended. Spoons aren't weapons, but if you felt like using it as one I'm sure you could inflict some harm with it. You can't carbon date live animals, and you can't use it for longer than a certain period of time (50,000 years?). They misuse things to prove that they don't work and feed it to the gullible. Dr. Dino is the #1 example.

Magus55

Um hello, earth to you - the person who discovered C-14 dating and got a Nobel prize for it admits there are no human artifacts older than 5000 years and its extremely unreliable. When you have oil deposits, originally being dated at 300,000,000 years old, only to be found to be 6000 years old, I would say its a pretty unreliable, inaccurate method - and the founder of that dating method agrees. I'd say thats pretty concrete evidence that dating can't be trusted.

Spaz

Jesus dude, in one quote c14 is unreliable, then in the other they use c14 dating to "prove" that stuff is only thousands of years old. And 6,000-7,000 year old petroleum? Yeah, maybe right on top, but it takes a shitload of time for the plants and animals to turn into any good amount of raw oil, duh.

GrandDesigner

Considering that we only have knowledge of this life, within these physical bounds, yet Heaven has been said is acheiveable, I believe the only thing to conclude is that this is Heaven.

Basically I mean to say "make the best of it".

To some, this may seem like Hell or just nothing special but the fact is that this is it, as far as we know. That can mean some will sit around and complain and say how much better they could do at designing it or it could mean some spend a lifetime trying to make others understand how they "see" things.

I think there is no time to worry about converting other peoples opnions. Whether this is "Heaven" as described in a Bible or not, this quite possibly could be the only physical existence we're aware of. Make the best of it. Oh, I said that already.

Grand Ol Designer

lpetrich

Magus55
Dr. Libby, the discoverer of the C14 method, which won for him a Nobel prize, expressed his shock that human artifacts extended back only 5000 years, a finding totally in conflict with any evolutionary concept. Older dates were found to be very unreliable (CRSQ , 1972, 9:3, p.157).

First, find the original of Dr. Libby's claim? It must be in some place other than a creationist publication. Magus55, I'm guessing that you are fully-grown and not a baby, so you should have no trouble tracking down the originals.

The creationist literature is notorious for out-of-context quotes, misquotes, and misrepresentations in general, so one ought not to trust it.

Magus55, if you don't know how to navigate the professional literature, then all you have to do is ask for help. You will get a MUCH better response if you act like you are willing to learn, rather than acting like you want to stumble all the time.

And if you are unwilling to do that, I suggest first checking out this discussion -- it has lots of references to some of the primary literature on C14 dating.

(a lot of similar unreferenced or improperly-referenced claims snipped for brevity...)

Also, there are several active dendrochronology projects that work on different sets of dead trees -- and they all agree.

LP: And the Bible itself is less than perfect.

Those don't prove its errancy, it just proves anyone can go to the Bible, see two differing statements, supposedly about the same subject, and declare it a contradiction. They don't bother to study it. Just as bad as SAB and holds no weight at all.

Magus55, I suggest that you try interpreting the Koran in the same way that you interpret the Bible and see where that gets you.

lpetrich

Magus55, you may enjoy reading Jews for Judaism.

Basically, Christianity is a Jewish heresy, making it much like Islam.

lpetrich

Badfish:
What about the Live goats (or sheep) that were carbon dated and found to be thousands of years old? That was funny.

WHICH ONES?

Obviously since decay cannot be observed on a scale of any magnitude, carbon dating cannot be shown to be accurate.

The old "we weren't around to see it" argument. Does Badfish believe that the Universe ceases to exist when he goes to sleep and restarts its existence when he wakes up?

We have models and controlled labs that can gauge rates of decay as we can observe it, but we cannot observe how elemental changes and extended lengths of time affect decay, therefore we do not not know if decay is consistent in it's rate.

Except that we have a LOT of knowledge of that very question -- one can calibrate radioisotope-decay methods against each other, and against other physical properties. Badfish, are you arguing that mainstream scientists are dummies?

lpetrich

Badfish:
Ok then they can use potassium argon, science will use many forms of dating, the results can be as much as 100 million years different from another result.

For which rocks? 4-billion-year-old ones? An experimental error of 5% can produce an absolute error of 200 million years.

ORNL dated a dinosaur bone using carbon dating, the age they came back with said it was only a few thousand years old.

Where had they allegedly done that? Tell us the original ORNL publication. And failure to do so will result in us considering that claim to be bogus.

lpetrich

(another creationist publication...)

I've seen too much creationist bull feces to take that seriously.

... also my physics teacher who is relatively reknowned for being an Entropy and mathematical expert concurs and admits that dating methods have not shown to be exact.

I'd like to see that physics teacher's words before I can evaluate that claim.

The truth is that science will pick the date which best suits their findings, and many of you seem to put faith in that fallible science.

Science does NOT work like Bible interpretation, where taking what one likes and leaving what one doesn't is the norm.