livius drusus

Saying someone not present might have lied and telling someone to their face that they might be a child molester are hardly comparable accusations. FPY made a simple point: eye-witness evidence is of questionable value because people can lie (or be mistaken, or misremember, or repress) and when it is hearsay, then its probative value decreases even further.

Evangelion

Yes. It proves that this statement by nogods4me...

...is demonstrably false.

But you have not shown that "both the norm and the exception prove the same rule."

TomboyMom

There exists a possible universe in which I could have a mother who was a liar. In that sense it is possible. It is not, however, actual, and therefore a pointless and highly offensive and personal slur. Yes, some people are liars. My mother was not one of them. If you were not implying that she was, why point out that some people are? Yes, some people are racist genocide-promoting bigots, and it is possible that you are one of them. So what, unless you are?

If you agree that my mother was not a liar, then you must also agree that what she experienced in fact occurred, that is, that her family was one of millions murdered by the Nazis in death camps erected for the sole purpose of destroying all of European Jewry. That is, the holocaust did in fact happen.

Semi-thank you for the semi-apology in which you fail to acknowledge your true actions.

Ron Garrett

This is why I just wrote a 10 Year Anniversary check to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum though I'm an atheist of Irish descent. There are too many deeply evil/stupid people who want to erase the memory of this monstrous attempt at genocide and whose agenda requires the world to forget how the people of Germany were conditioned to accept such unspeakable inhumanity. They suppose, I believe, that if we forget how people we're led down the path of insane bigotry before, we will again be susceptible to the same lies and manipulations the next time some sexually inadequate sociopath wants to engage in mass murder to get his rocks off.

So long as I have breath and the strength to pull a trigger it will never happen again. Not to anyone.

if any of you are genuinely looking for research materials not produced by flying-saucer riding, holocaust-denying, hood-wearing loons, you can find information here:

USHMM research page

livius drusus

I said the so-called scholarly sources make no particular religious claims either way. That is not evidence of their atheism, of course, but simply a lack of evidence for their religiosity.

-FPY-

Where did the rumour about the dedication of Imperium come from? People always say it is "undoubtedly Hitler," but why is this so? I am more inclined to think that the hero is the European man.

livius drusus

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Your mother did not witness the murder of millions. She was not privy to Nazi communications on the purpose of concentration camps or the fate of European Jewry. Your mother's testimony is a tiny part of the whole.

It cannot disprove the basic tenets of Holocaust revisionisms:

1. There was no program explicitly dedicated to the annhilation of European Jewry.
2. There were no mass-executions in gas chambers.
3. The 6 million figure is a vast overestimate mainly used by Zionists to score reparations.

In order to counter those claims, it is necessary to examine a wide range of documentary and physical evidence as well a statistically significant amounts of eyewitness testimony.

Tristan Scott

Wrong on all three counts.

Prove that you are correct.

livius drusus

Given that it is not my position, I can't imagine why I would make any effort to prove its accuracy. My point is simple: the testimony of a single eyewitness or even a small group of them cannot counter the basic premises of Holocaust revisionists. There is a mountain of other evidence, however, that can and does.

Tristan Scott

oh.