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Kevin Dorner · 03-20-2002, 06:29 PM

pseudobug: If you let randman make you lose your cool, well: this is what he wants. Then he can look like the poor persecuted YEC. Boo hoo.

So... don't. We have moderators, and they are bright folks who are well aware of randman's tactics and current reputation. randman has already gotten himself into the situation where most of his threads are going to be moved to RR&P by making wild unfounded statements and then failing to properly address rebuttals of those statements. Just keep in mind that when you read his cut'n'paste apologetics and start to get frustrated, there are many others that recognize what he's up to, and some of them will be in the position to do something about it. It's well-in-hand. Remember where this forum is, pseudobug. This is not where endless reams of unsubstantiated baloney will be tolerated.

[ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]

RufusAtticus · 03-20-2002, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by randman:
The list of recapitulation, Ne anderthal, and such was what I was taught as evidence for evolution in the early 70s, and it was all false.

It's not the fault of evolution that you had stupid teachers that didn't keep up with science. The things you mentioned were known to be inaccurate, decades before you were taught. You can't expect high schools to be on the cutting edge of science, especially when so many people would prefer to scrap it entirely. The education system spends so much time just fighting to mention the word "evolution" to students, sometimes the details get lost. It's really not suprising you got 1920s education in 1970s. What's suprising is that you haven't acted to move beyond that. I, however, highly doubt that your understanding of evolution was acquired in school, it more accurately represents the cartoon of popular urban myth.

Randman, you appear to be still stuck in the past. Do you have any comments on evolution, as currently understood by science, or are you going to keep banging our heads with an out of date cartoon?

-RvFvS

pseudobug · 03-20-2002, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus:


It's not the fault of evolution that you had stupid teachers that didn't keep up with science. The things you mentioned were known to be inaccurate, decades before you were taught. You can't expect high schools to be on the cutting edge of science, especially when so many people would prefer to scrap it entirely.

I told him nearly the exact same thing two months ago, Rufus Atticus. Still, he comes on here with the same bull%*#$

Jack the Bodiless · 03-21-2002, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by randman:
It could be that evolutiuon is true, but that is not enough. You don't want to tolerate any dissent so you exagerrate and overstate your case...

It is rather difficult to "overstate" the case, Randman.

How familiar are you with probability theory? The probability that the fossil sequence appears as it does through chance, "Flood sorting", or anything except common descent (or God creating new creatures over millions of years in a sequence which precisely mimicks common descent: amphibians after fish, reptiles after amphibians, hominids after apes, humans after hominids etc) is infitesimally small. The odds against this greatly exceed (for instance) the estimated number of atoms in the Universe.

Common descent is just about the surest bet in science. Arguing against it is rather like arguing that the Earth is flat (NASA is part of the Evilutionist Conspiracy and so forth).

It is THAT certain.

Equally certain is that evolution is sufficient to account for the increased complexity of modern organisms. Information increase is known to occur: not only is there no theoretical barrier to it, but it has been observed. There is no basis whatsoever for the creationist "magic barrier theory" that somehow prevents macroevolution. It's an artificial obstacle postulated by creationists to give their God something to do.

notto · 03-21-2002, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Daggah:
Say, randman, are you familiar with hox genes at all?

A better question might be:

Which of the following is true based on the predictive qualities of the Creation "model":

a) The original bird kind (chicken?) had teeth but has lost them in a loss of "information" mutation.

b) Someday in the future birds may develop teeth because the original bird "kind" has the capability to product teeth in its genetic makup. This ability was placed in the original "kind" even though it is not expressed.

Randman?

Oolon Colluphid · 03-21-2002, 07:37 AM

Sorry pseudobug, can't e-mail you, can't PM you, so I'll have to mention it here. We may not always achieve it, and we all get pissed off at people at times, but in the higher forums we aim for a more civilised debate than elsewhere. So please do try to tone it down. Maybe since randman winds you up so much, you should take a little break from threads that he's in, if only for your own blood pressure

. It's up to us whether we continue to bang our heads on a wall (if that is what we're doing), you don't have to!

Cheers, Oolon

03-20-2002, 06:29 PM	#71
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	pseudobug: If you let randman make you lose your cool, well: this is what he wants. Then he can look like the poor persecuted YEC. Boo hoo. So... don't. We have moderators, and they are bright folks who are well aware of randman's tactics and current reputation. randman has already gotten himself into the situation where most of his threads are going to be moved to RR&P by making wild unfounded statements and then failing to properly address rebuttals of those statements. Just keep in mind that when you read his cut'n'paste apologetics and start to get frustrated, there are many others that recognize what he's up to, and some of them will be in the position to do something about it. It's well-in-hand. Remember where this forum is, pseudobug. This is not where endless reams of unsubstantiated baloney will be tolerated. [ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]</p>

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Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Sorry pseudobug, can't e-mail you, can't PM you, so I'll have to mention it here. We may not always achieve it, and we all get pissed off at people at times, but in the higher forums we aim for a more civilised debate than elsewhere. So please do try to tone it down. Maybe since randman winds you up so much, you should take a little break from threads that he's in, if only for your own blood pressure . It's up to us whether we continue to bang our heads on a wall (if that is what we're doing), you don't have to! Cheers, Oolon

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