Blixy Sticks

You are sadly mistaken if you consider me a right winger.

Derec

You don't seem to know Dave, our rezident Bolshevik, very well. To him, everyone to the right of Lenin is a right-winger.

UMoC

RED DAVE

Learn how to spell "resident." I have a fairly keen sense of the gradations of left and right, but I do fuck up. My perpective is a little different from conservatives who find, say, Bill Clinton to be some kind of leftist. Hah!

However, Timmerman is a neocon who is now leading the attack on Iran.

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So, while I'm sure he's found lots of unsavory stuff about Jackson, I loathe his whole approach. I guarantee you that Bush & Co. are a lot more dangerous to African Americans than Jesse Jackson.

RED DAVE

Derec

By preaching bullshit to them.

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In other words, it denies that racism happens or ever heppened; They just made it up. You know, Them.

Of course there was racism and it still happens, to some extent. But the way Jackson et al make every issue to be a racial issue.
Take standardized testing. Just because blacks do not score as well as whites that means that tests themselves are racist, right?

If the windshield murderer had been white and her victim black I am sure either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton would have been there.

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It is the exact equivalent of holocaust denial.

No it is not. Speaking of this, race baiters remind me of Uncle Leo in one of Seinfeld episodes, where Leo calls everyone an antisemite.
Just because we say that Jesse and Leo are nuts in their assertions does not mean that discrimination against blacks or the holocaust did not happen.

UMoC

Derec

Rezident is the way the word is usually trascribed from the Russian. I spelled it that way for a reason.

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I have a fairly keen sense of the gradations of left and right, but I do fuck up.

The most important thing is that the political landscape is multi--dimensional, not one-dimensional as the antiquated left-right spectrum would suggest.

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My perpective is a little different from conservatives who find, say, Bill Clinton to be some kind of leftist. Hah!

He is moderate than, let's say, Dennis "Department of Peace" Kucinic but he is still left of the center overall.

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However, Timmerman is a neocon who is now leading the attack on Iran.

Attack on Iran? When? Why is CNN not covering it?

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So, while I'm sure he's found lots of unsavory stuff about Jackson, I loathe his whole approach.

If he is telling the truth about JJ, why would you loathe his approach?

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I guarantee you that Bush & Co. are a lot more dangerous to African Americans than Jesse Jackson.

Bush& Co. are dangerous to a lot of people. I do not see how they are more dangerous to blacks per se. Especially since blacks tend to be more religious than the average, so Bush's social policies should be well received.

Oh you mean because they wanted to end admission preferences based on race? How racist of them, really.

UMoC

RED DAVE

I consider those who spend their waking hours fretting about Jackson et al. without spending about 18 times more time attacking the perpetuators of racism, the White Establishment (ruling class, what have you), are hypocrites.

Earn your credentials in the fight against racism, then you get the right to criticize a very flawed man (who hasn't bombed any civilians lately or shifted a few billion to the wealthy).

RED DAVE

donaldkilroy

This statement in and of itself is racist. It completely ignores the fact that other races (to include African-Americans) can and are just as guilty of racism as any other. Which is the reason why Mr. Jackson, among others (e.g., Al Sharpton, Louis Fharakhan (sp?), etc.), was brought up by those who deemed it necessary to bring it up given the context of the discussion that has taken place in this thread.

Blaming the problems of racism, then or now, only and entirely on any race of Caucasian peoples (i.e., Jews, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, etc.) is not only the wrong answer but it is completely narrow-minded. Moreover, it only serves to weaken your argument, not strengthen it.

donaldkilroy

John Hancock

Just my $.02 although I was away from home in 1967 I understood Detroit's riots.

John Hancock
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Tristan Scott

This is priceless

Calzaer

UMOC, Blixy:

Your "just because" invective isn't convincing anyone. How about some concrete examples? Do you have any concrete examples? Can you share your concrete examples?

Because, honestly, nobody in their right mind is just gonna take your word for it, particularly if you refuse to come out and say anything less vague than "he preaches bullshit". Bullshit like what? Why are you refusing to be specific?