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Old 06-30-2003, 11:36 AM   #301
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MSNBC poll of the day: Should gay marriage be legal?

After my vote, it's about 45/55 against legal gay marriage
http://www.msnbc.com/news/778726.asp?0cm=c10
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Old 06-30-2003, 12:19 PM   #302
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It violates the rights of the child, as they are being used to gratify someone elses sexual desires, without their knowledge of what is really going on.
It appears, then, that if I take a picture of a hot babe in a slutskirt and use it to gratify my sexual desires in the privacy of my home, I am similarly violating her rights. Right?

And if the children don't know it's going on and never find out, how can it possibly be a violation of their rights?
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It appears, then, that if I take a picture of a hot babe in a slutskirt and use it to gratify my sexual desires in the privacy of my home, I am similarly violating her rights. Right?
And if the children don't know it's going on and never find out, how can it possibly be a violation of their rights?
It's naturally intuitive. But some people are obviously more in tune with their natural-born intuition than others. You've obviously abandoned your intution; I feel sorry for you.

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Old 06-30-2003, 02:04 PM   #304
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How exactly would that be?
Well, some people don't want to view copulation in public between other people, and as they don't expect to see it, they inadvertently see it against their wishes.

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And since the viewing and production of virtual child porn among adults in private doesn't violate anyone's rights, I guess such activity is as inalienable as the right to engage in anal sex.

Right?
If by 'virtual' you mean cartoons and drawings, not actual photographs, then yes, I would agree.
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Well, some people don't want to view copulation in public between other people, and as they don't expect to see it, they inadvertently see it against their wishes.
I don't guess many people like to watch people pick their noses, but I doubt even the ACLU would back you up if you claimed your rights were violated by public nose-pickers.

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If by 'virtual' you mean cartoons and drawings, not actual photographs, then yes, I would agree.
Indeed. Nevertheless, no one has an inalienable right to view virtual child porn.
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I don't guess many people like to watch people pick their noses, but I doubt even the ACLU would back you up if you claimed your rights were violated by public nose-pickers.
People picking their noses is common. If you didn't like it, you'd know that some people do it, and can avoid seeing it.

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Indeed. Nevertheless, no one has an inalienable right to view virtual child porn.
I don't believe that any rights are inalienable.
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Old 06-30-2003, 03:58 PM   #307
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Edited to add - I wonder how long it will take Nightshade to see my Canadian flag comment!
Not long Especially since you've seen the Canadian flag adorned backpack and T-shirt that I brought with me to Colorado!

The same backpack I'm wearing in the attached pic below too. Scigirl (with me in the photo) can vouch for that!

It's a Canadian thing, and we probably do it for 4 reasons: we don't want to be confused for Americans, peer pressure, it's a bit of a national pride thing, and it gets us attention from cute backpacker girls from other countries sometimes. When I was in New Zealand and Australia, Canadians were the only ones who zealously made it a point to adorn as much national paraphernalia as possible.

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People picking their noses is common. If you didn't like it, you'd know that some people do it, and can avoid seeing it.
And this differs from PC how exactly?

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I don't believe that any rights are inalienable.
Then how can anyone's rights be violated, since if you are correct, all "rights" come from societal consenus?

You said virtual porn violates the rights of children because they are being used for sexual gratification even if they don't know it's happening; but by your logic, if society decides that it's OK for them to do that, no rights have been violated.
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And this differs from PC how exactly?
Regardless of the answer, explain how this question leads to justification for the intolerance of gays.

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Then how can anyone's rights be violated, since if you are correct, all "rights" come from societal consenus?
The answer is within the question. And explain how this question leads to justification for the intolerance of gays.

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You said virtual porn violates the rights of children because they are being used for sexual gratification even if they don't know it's happening; but by your logic, if society decides that it's OK for them to do that, no rights have been violated.
Were the rights of blacks violated back when slavery was considered acceptable?

And explain how your comment leads to justification for the intolerance of gays.

You seem to be desperately flailing around for something - anything - to discredit non-biblical morality. Keep trying, maybe you'll find it, and anyway it's fun to watch.
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Ya know, something just occured to me...

If all this moral knowledge is "intuitive", why do we need the Bible? Shouldn't we all have "intuited" Christ's existance at birth?
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