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Warwick · 03-10-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Martin Buber
Lamma and Warwick

You are both closed minded...

Yeah, that's it.

Zar · 03-10-2003, 02:09 PM

Martin Buber,

For the sake of fairness, I feel I need to say the following:

They are not really any more closed-minded than some people of many other persuasions are here, though I will not disagree that their posts can often be little more than derisive and terse dismissals and slogans, and do more to illuminate their prejudices than to uncover any truths. Be that as it may, I've seen much, much worse than them.

Anyway, I know I can't make any progress by trading insults with them because some people deal in that currency much too exclusively to be of any value to me in the end. Is it going to lead anywhere to get drawn too far into personal battles with them, when a reasoned response should show clearly enough the contrast between your thought process and theirs to a third party with at least a little common sense?

Alludium Fozdex · 03-10-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lamma
It would be easy to take half measures and continue to ignore the dangers that Islam presents. We could just hope like hell that it doesn't happen again.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that by "Islam" you mean militant Islamists, and not Islam as a whole...

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I don't believe that we can spend enough money, show enough good will, or some how make amends for real and perceived past wrongs to make these people stop hating us.
The time for being passive and patient is a luxury we no longer have.

...for if you do believe that Islam as a whole poses a clear and present danger, there can be only one solution.

A final solution.

HaysooChreesto! · 03-10-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Martin Buber
Lamma and Warwick

You are both closed minded and have been highly propgandized by main stream United States Media. One thing that I'm convinced of is that I could always learn more and if someone screams at me to that he knows it all and I should jump he's lying.

Martin Buber

No, that's not the case. Just because I support the war doesn't mean I've been hypnotized by Fox News and lost my critical faculties.
You are 100% correct in your assertion that we can learn from each other and that the person who will shout down another in an attempt to prove a point is indeed full of shit.
But it works both ways...

HaysooChreesto! · 03-10-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Gerald
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that by "Islam" you mean militant Islamists, and not Islam as a whole...

...for if you do believe that Islam as a whole poses a clear and present danger, there can be only one solution.

A final solution.

Oh please. Don't even start with that shit. I will not refer to it as anything else because it is SHIT. Take your cowardly Nazi genocide implications and shove 'em back up where they come from. You might find your head there too.

HaysooChreesto! · 03-10-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Zar
Martin Buber,

For the sake of fairness, I feel I need to say the following:

They are not really any more closed-minded than some people of many other persuasions are here, though I will not disagree that their posts can often be little more than derisive and terse dismissals and slogans, and do more to illuminate their prejudices than to uncover any truths. Be that as it may, I've seen much, much worse than them.

Anyway, I know I can't make any progress by trading insults with them because some people deal in that currency much too exclusively to be of any value to me in the end. Is it going to lead anywhere to get drawn too far into personal battles with them, when a reasoned response should show clearly enough the contrast between your thought process and theirs to a third party with at least a little common sense?

Have I insulted you? Have I been derisive or mean spirited towards you? Is someone insulting you because they disagree with you? Since you're so insightful, please, "illuminate my prejudices".

How much more insulting can one get than what I've quoted above? Disagree with me all you wish, but at least have the character to respond to me .

John Hancock · 03-10-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Zar
Martin Buber,

For the sake of fairness, I feel I need to say the following:

They are not really any more closed-minded than some people of many other persuasions are here, though I will not disagree that their posts can often be little more than derisive and terse dismissals and slogans, and do more to illuminate their prejudices than to uncover any truths. Be that as it may, I've seen much, much worse than them.

Anyway, I know I can't make any progress by trading insults with them because some people deal in that currency much too exclusively to be of any value to me in the end. Is it going to lead anywhere to get drawn too far into personal battles with them, when a reasoned response should show clearly enough the contrast between your thought process and theirs to a third party with at least a little common sense?

Zar

Exactly why should I "bite my tongue"? They obviously have not read links to which they've been refered. Since I fully intend to write them off as serious posters, why not get my ya yas out?

Of course your entitled to your patronization but as a layman not cable of delveing deeply in to thoughts, I'll continue to ignore that.

Martin Buber

Alludium Fozdex · 03-10-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Lamma
Oh please. Don't even start with that shit. I will not refer to it as anything else because it is SHIT. Take your cowardly Nazi genocide implications and shove 'em back up where they come from. You might find your head there too.

Whoa. Hit a little too close to home, did I...?

I could match you insult for insult, but that would make me too much like you.

Anyway, back on topic...

So, I gather that you do consider Islam as a whole to pose A Clear And Present Danger To Civilization As We Know It?

A simple yes or no is more than adequate, thankyouverymuch...

<walks off thinking "Yeesh, what a grouch...">

Zar · 03-10-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Martin Buber
Zar

Exactly why should I "bite my tongue"? They obviously have not read links to which they've been refered. Since I fully intend to write them off as serious posters, why not get my ya yas out?

Of course your entitled to your patronization but as a layman not cable of delveing deeply in to thoughts, I'll continue to ignore that.

Martin Buber

Martin,

Please do not "bite your tongue" on account of me. And if they show clear evidence of not taking the time to study the links, I agree they do not deserve much consideration.

I consider you to be a smart guy, and I will respect your choice, whatever it is. My giving these gentlemen the benefit of the doubt even though they resort to name-calling and such is my style, I guess, even though I only occasionally get the favor returned to me. Even so, at some point, I guess, enough is enough. Sometimes it makes a difference, even though mostly it doesn't. But you can do it your way.

John Hancock · 03-10-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Warwick
Yeah, that's it.

Warwick

Brighter than I thought.

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03-10-2003, 02:09 PM	#22
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	Martin Buber, For the sake of fairness, I feel I need to say the following: They are not really any more closed-minded than some people of many other persuasions are here, though I will not disagree that their posts can often be little more than derisive and terse dismissals and slogans, and do more to illuminate their prejudices than to uncover any truths. Be that as it may, I've seen much, much worse than them. Anyway, I know I can't make any progress by trading insults with them because some people deal in that currency much too exclusively to be of any value to me in the end. Is it going to lead anywhere to get drawn too far into personal battles with them, when a reasoned response should show clearly enough the contrast between your thought process and theirs to a third party with at least a little common sense?

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