BadBadBad

You accuse winstonjen of wanting God to hold people's hand. I doubt winstonjen really wants that, but would that be a bad thing if God existed?

Winstonjen quips back an equally silly rebuttal accusing you of wanting omniGod to burn everyone in Hell. You answer, that yes you think this is a good idea.

Is it just me? I think winstonjen wanting God to hold everyone's hand is better than you wanting God to burn everyone in Hell.

You are the master of non-sequitur.

winstonjen

They can't think. That's why they wrote the myths in the first place.

Mageth

I must wonder what the creators of these myths think about the efforts wasted trying to make them conform to reality now.

Exactly. Thinking about all the human effort wasted, and harm caused, by so many people misinterpreting what is obviously myth, and what was obviously intended as myth, as history makes me dizzy.

winstonjen

Thanks. I got the idea from the huge "Where was God?" Topic in the old RRP forum.

sophie

brettc : I am actually with you on this one. yeh.

On another point, you have miscalculated my intentions. Let me review your esoteric understanding.

I said : Who has to burn has to burn. I accept this as the way of the universe.

winstonjen replied : It would be omniGOD's choice to design the universe so that people HAVE to burn.

To which I subsequently offered : I do not think the imperative is quite necessary.

Then you mistakenly realise :
Note I never said I believe omniGOD's tickling people's feet with hot coals was a good idea.

BadBadBad

The universe where I would stop my child from making an uninformed decision that will condemn ions of generations of mankind to hell is viable now. It's called reality. The universe where omniGod exists and condemns ions of innocent people to eternal torture in Hell is called fantasy.

Evil exists in this universe. I make every effort to protect my children from it. In Genesis, God performed the poison apple trick just like in my previous analogy. That makes the bible god a bad god. An omnibenevolent bad god is a paradox, and can't exist.

You're worried about God being very very busy? He's omniscient and omnipotent. An omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent god that's too busy to protect his children from evil is a paradox. Therefore the omniGod you describe cannot exist.

An omnipotent and omniscient God informs Eve that if she eats the poisoned apple, she will die. He doesn't mention the other consequences until after she eats it, and then she doesn't die. Explain how an informed person would freely choose to ignore an omnipotent and omniscient God, and eat an apple knowing she's going to die, well not really, and ignore the obvious consequences for mankind that she isn't told until after she eats the apple.

You're doing so poorly on what you are responding to that I'm not surprised you're going to avoid the rest.

sophie

I am not sure we are reading from the same page. Again I would not trust an atheist to quote from the Bible. The story I heard was they were informed it would be a dis-honourable thing to do living the the Garden of Eden and all that jaz.

Which book are you quoting, the modern oicture version? or the good ole King James version? I also heard there has been some rewriting to update the language? Do you have access to the dead sea scrolls?

BadBadBad

Actually, you said:

I assume you believe God is omnigood. Therefore, I interpreted your comment as indicating God condemning people to hell as a good thing.

sophie

brettc : If you are always looking only straight ahead that's called tunnel vision. I am not sure your conclusion that omniGOD cannot exist as a paradox is valid. The understanding which goes into your protracted logic is limited to illogical conclusion. That is quite an argument some days.


I was worried about you being busy. OmniGOD is not busy as far as my senses dictate.


Gee what did you want to read an enclycopedia. It takes a lifetime to recall a lifetime. Mabye Eve wanted to test omniGOD. Mabye Eve wanted omniGOD as the companion instead of Adam. You think omniGOD did'nt know this, sure thing, that's probably why he chased them both out of the Garden. yeh.

BadBadBad

King James, NIV, NRSV, it all says the same thing:

Genesis 2:. 15The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.’


It's a direct quote. It's a famous quote. It's common knowledge. It's the Bible. You might try reading it someday.