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Tricia · 07-20-2002, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by freemonkey:


It seems to me that you only want to share your amens and hallelujas with someone who is secure in her faith (Helen) and trade insults with atheists.

For real.

David, what's your deal? I honestly need help, and all you can give me is a pat on the back and tell me to bugger off. wait, scratch the pat.

Why did you even waste your time posting?

~Tricia

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Dajah · 07-20-2002, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tricia:
That was a load of crap, David.

my thoughts exactly, from what I have heard about this guy he cant even give you help, a lil advice maybe? hm....and he only answers certain people...wow...a wee bit selective eh?

thats always nice to know...kinda like choosing to which beggar to give a coin. <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

Sephiroth · 07-20-2002, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tricia:
Well geez, I feel loved.

That was a load of crap, David.

SINCERELY,

Tricia

I agree, but judging how David acts in the RRP Forum I wasn't surprised.

PS: I think freemonkey was talking to David.

[ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Sephiroth ]

Grizzly · 07-20-2002, 04:21 PM

Hi Tricia,

Getting Christian advice from David Mathews is clearly a waste of time. David Mathews is only here to help one person - himself. Plus, would you actually want this guy to give you guidance? Maybe if you wanted to learn how to be an egotistical asshole, he might be a person to seek out. But getting fellowship from David Mathews would be like getting blood from a stone. Be grateful he decided not to spew his obviously warped view of Christian love all over you. Ewe...

Grizzly

Tricia · 07-20-2002, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sephiroth:


PS: I think freemonkey was talking to David.

[ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Sephiroth ]

I know, I was agreeing with freemonkey and speaking to David.

~Tricia

Starspun · 07-20-2002, 05:38 PM

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Also, I don�t think it is very nice of you to suggest that I am brainwashed or that the leaders of my church are devious people. Telling theists that they have been brainwashed into nonsense (which you, wise atheist, can see right through!) is akin to saying that atheists have been deluded by Darwin. One day, you�ll wake up to the truth!

The truth hurts at times. I understand your dismay at my statement of you being brainwashed. But, you are. Research the subject of brainwashing and mind control and see for yourself. You will see the direct parallel.
That is a very bad analogy you gave, btw. Darwin didn't come up with evolution by reading a book and going to 'service.' His theory was on direct observation; theists theories are on written pieces of paper, written by man. Darwin wasn't on a power trip. Religion is.
Once again, study brainwashing techniques and then look at your average flock. It could be eye opening for you.

[ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Starspun ]

excreationist · 07-20-2002, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Buffman:
...For anyone to pass the enterance exam for "Christian" qualification, they must believe that Jesus was, in fact, resurrected. IMHO, everything else is merely 2,000 years of window dressing...

Well according to a philosopher called Michael Martin, <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_defn.htm" target="_blank">here</a> are the requirements for various forms of Christianity:

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- Basic Christian: "Person P is a Basic Christian if and only if P believes that a theistic God exists, that Jesus lived at the time of Pilate, that Jesus is the Incarnation of God, that one is saved through faith in Jesus, and that Jesus is the model of ethical behavior."

- Orthodox Christian (meaning a traditional Christian, not necessarily a member of an Eastern Orthodox church): "Person P is an Orthodox Christian if and only if P is a Basic Christian and P believes in the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, the Crucifixion [ordered] by Pilate, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming."

- Liberal Christian: Person P is a liberal Christian if they believe in "a theistic God, ...Jesus as a model of ethical behavior, ...[and] the historicity of Jesus."

- Extreme Liberal Christian: Person P is an extreme liberal Christian if they believe in "Jesus as a model of ethical behavior..." Presumably, an extreme liberal Christian could also be an Agnostic, Atheist or Humanist.

Martin indicates that some would object to his minimal definitions, arguing that Christianity must be more than a set of beliefs; it must involve action. i.e. a Christian must attempt to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus. He suggests that each of his definitions could be given the suffix: "and P follows or attempts to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus."

Sephiroth · 07-20-2002, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Tricia:


I know, I was agreeing with freemonkey and speaking to David.

~Tricia

Oops, sorry

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David Mathews · 07-20-2002, 07:30 PM

Hello Tricia,

This is my advice for you, for what it is worth: If you are predisposed to atheism, you should be an atheist.

I hope that this advice is helpful. If you have any other questions, you can address them to me.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

missus_gumby · 07-20-2002, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by David Mathews:
Hello Tricia,

This is my advice for you, for what it is worth: If you are predisposed to atheism, you should be an atheist.

I hope that this advice is helpful. If you have any other questions, you can address them to me.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

But surely, the religious meme is hardly predisposition is it? Atheism is the predisposition for everyone on the planet. Unless you can prove people are born with inbuilt religious beliefs, that is. And even then you'd have to explain why so many people were born with the wrong (ie non-christian) beliefs - the beliefs which matched those of the geography into which they were born.

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07-20-2002, 04:21 PM	#44
Grizzly Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 2,936	Hi Tricia, Getting Christian advice from David Mathews is clearly a waste of time. David Mathews is only here to help one person - himself. Plus, would you actually want this guy to give you guidance? Maybe if you wanted to learn how to be an egotistical asshole, he might be a person to seek out. But getting fellowship from David Mathews would be like getting blood from a stone. Be grateful he decided not to spew his obviously warped view of Christian love all over you. Ewe... Grizzly

07-20-2002, 07:30 PM	#49
David Mathews Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 622	Hello Tricia, This is my advice for you, for what it is worth: If you are predisposed to atheism, you should be an atheist. I hope that this advice is helpful. If you have any other questions, you can address them to me. Sincerely, David Mathews

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