Gemma Therese

Fenton,

You obviously have issues, and I feel sorry for you. You have my prayers.

By the by, why do insist on bringing up the PRIVATE message I sent you? If it affected you so much, why not respond PRIVATELY?

Gemma Therese

Yellum Notnef

This translates into: "I am a robot. My robotic brain was not programmed with a response to your unforeseen reality check. Switching to emergency sympathy and prayer mode. Beep beep beep."


Why do you insist on asking me privately if It`s you I hate or if it`s the church? It`s ridiculous since I never said ANYTHING about you at all nevermind that I hated you.
I`ll tell you right here publically that I don`t hate you but that your church disgusts me. I refuse to play secret message games about it and you have NO chance of winning me over either publically OR privately so theres no reason not to keep it out in the open.

Ockhamite

Thank you Gemma Therese for your response to my post.

Without reviewing earlier threads and posts, let me apologize for less-than-courteous responses you have received as a member of these forums.

If it pleases you, i ask for your comments on the other part of my post, repeated below.


And Seebs.....thank you for your comments.

beyelzu

arguing that an atheist attacking christian beliefs is a form of persecution is highly inaccurate. also, implying that we should all just get along, we just see things differently is also inaccurate. its not like saying i like blue and you should like blue as well or you will burn in hell. its just not a value judgment. there are logical reasons for not believing in god. the problems with the standard christian god are many. the problem of evil being the most obvious. also, there is absolutely no proof of gods existence. if we can know anything about god surely we can use our intellect to come up with some of those things and thus the logical arguments against gods can be used. and i would definitely understand fenton's anger. this is the secular web, and i think we probably get enough of it every else. so when someone tries to convert one of us here it can be quite irritating. also fenton i thought the whole "emergency sympathy and prayer mode" thing was hilarious.

seebs

So, you don't consider it persecution when people attack your positions on philosophical issues, but really mostly just attack you as a person for holding positions different than their own?

Well, obviously, not everyone feels this way. I think there are logical reasons for all sorts of things that you or another person might not agree with. People are not entirely rational, not on either side of issues like this.

Oh, sure. However, I don't think that means that there's no harassment of various religious folks by atheists. I think people in all the various positions on these issues are sometimes jerks.

beyelzu

seebs,

i try to be rational and logical in all things particularly big philosophical issues. i dont mind when people attack my views using logic or even sarcasm and humor. i am an adult and can take care of myself. i am secure in my atheism. and i think that logic and reason are pretty much the weapons of atheism. theism typically opposes them with faith. which is why so many religious discussions end in a stalemate. what bothers me, is when i tell people that i am an atheist, (i live in ga after all and most people here are either christian or in the closet about their atheism) people look at me like i am a toad. i might think christians are foolish but i dont doubt their humanity. to quote myself, i believe fundamentally and absolutely in the potential for greatness in all humans. people just assume that i am some sort of evil babyeating monster. and while most atheists are just that, (i think something about not believing in god makes babies taste better ) i am not

seebs

Hmm. FWIW, a lot of theologians feel that reason, correctly applied, can be very supportive of faith, by helping you be more clear on what's faith and what isn't.

I sometimes do. I know what you mean, though; it drives me nuts when people are like that.

Wow, babies taste even *better* to you guys?

Oh, was I voicing my internal monologue again?

beyelzu

seebs, have you checked out the posts about mothe theresa?

that stuff was weird. i had no idea that she received that kind of money.

Amos

Hello Ockhamite, to make a long story short, Catholics have the incorruptables that have been purified by the cross and protestants have the spontaneous combustions at the foot of the cross. Did you think that was a mistake we made?

beyelzu

it was catholic conquistadors who baptised babies and then dashed their skulls in. was that a good thing? or maybe the inquisitions, where catholics tortured people to save their souls, maybe that was a good thing?