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Hayden · 04-15-2003, 07:02 PM

25% for me, although it works out like this:

0-38000 pa: 19.8%
38000-60000 pa: 33% (earnings above 38000 only)
60000 pa: 39% (earnings above 60000 only)

We also have a 12.5% sales tax on all goods and services, heavy taxes on fuel, alcohol, cigarettes etc.

On the other hand, we have free (supposedly!) education until university, 80%-ish subsidised university, free hospital care for accident and non-elective surgery etc, nationwide accident coverage etc.

On the whole, it's not too bad.

We also don't have to file a tax return if we don't want to, barring things like student loans etc.

HR

Abacus · 04-15-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by spurly
Why is the idea so bad. I personally had nothing held out of my check all year, and I had to save my tax burden until April 15th and write a big check today. It is actually a good way to do it.

Kevin

I guess that would be fine if everyone was able to handle their money responsibly. *Looks at some fellow citizens* I'm not convinced that everyone is that responsible.

Viti · 04-15-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by AdamSmith
Tax burden calculator.

34%

Ditto

Dual Income No Kids=pay through the nose

seanie · 04-16-2003, 01:46 AM

I'm paying about 26% payroll tax, around 20% income tax and the rest National Insurance. That's on a wage just over 1.5x the national average. I can't remember what my local council tax is. And I contribute quite a lot to the exchequer through the purchase of alcohol.

I think I should be paying more tax.

Jat · 04-16-2003, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Melkor
That's not a problem at all. That's acknowledgement of the idiocy of taking money from one segment of society and spending it on another. A step in the right direction, in my opinion.

If nothing else, one main effect would come of it: a dramatic decrease in the size and influence of government.

A Libertarian pipe dream that has no basis in reality.

Kinross · 04-16-2003, 03:00 AM

You use to only pay once a year in a lump sum. I explained the US tax history in this thread here.

The pupose of taking estimated taxes out of your paycheck was to extract more money from the tax payers with less complaints. It seems to have worked.

Beer God · 04-16-2003, 05:36 AM

THE TRUTH ABOUT FRIVOLOUS TAX ARGUMENTS

Melkor · 04-16-2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
Unfortunately, the average person doesn't handle their finances well enough for this.

Exactly my point.

Melkor · 04-16-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
You miss the point. The city folk would vote against spending that benefits the country folk. However, the city folk are the majority--100% of spending would be for the city folk, 0% for the country folk. Very unfair.

It's already unfair. When you use force to confiscate private property, you erode the concept of private property, period. There is no "fair" in the use of force on individuals.

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04-15-2003, 07:02 PM	#41
Hayden Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 712	25% for me, although it works out like this: 0-38000 pa: 19.8% 38000-60000 pa: 33% (earnings above 38000 only) 60000 pa: 39% (earnings above 60000 only) We also have a 12.5% sales tax on all goods and services, heavy taxes on fuel, alcohol, cigarettes etc. On the other hand, we have free (supposedly!) education until university, 80%-ish subsidised university, free hospital care for accident and non-elective surgery etc, nationwide accident coverage etc. On the whole, it's not too bad. We also don't have to file a tax return if we don't want to, barring things like student loans etc. HR

04-16-2003, 01:46 AM	#44
seanie Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edinburgh. Scotland Posts: 2,532	I'm paying about 26% payroll tax, around 20% income tax and the rest National Insurance. That's on a wage just over 1.5x the national average. I can't remember what my local council tax is. And I contribute quite a lot to the exchequer through the purchase of alcohol. I think I should be paying more tax.

04-16-2003, 03:00 AM	#46
Kinross Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: . Posts: 1,281	You use to only pay once a year in a lump sum. I explained the US tax history in this thread here. The pupose of taking estimated taxes out of your paycheck was to extract more money from the tax payers with less complaints. It seems to have worked.

04-16-2003, 05:36 AM	#47
Beer God Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 67	THE TRUTH ABOUT FRIVOLOUS TAX ARGUMENTS

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