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AsimovsProtege · 05-23-2003, 02:09 PM

"This assumes that God isn't evil and isn't an idiot."

hehe, good point.

"Yeah, a damn puzzling thing, isn't it? Could it be that it's all a fairy tale?"

It most certainly could, and most certainly is!!

"The problem with omni-traits is that they are abstract. It is impossible to imagine a being which is literally all-powerful; we can't understand what that would actually mean."

yes...but we can try!

CALDONIA · 05-23-2003, 02:25 PM

A Repentful God:

" I just hate it when I do that!"

theophilus · 05-23-2003, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jinto
Weak argument.

All-good does not imply "can do no wrong," it only means "will do no wrong." The concept of both omnipotence and omnibenevolence is not inherently contradictory.

Now, when you add a universe like this one, which is horribly horribly wrong... THEN you get a contradiction.

Please explain how you know this universe is "horribly, horribly wrong."
Please explain by what standard you call it wrong.

theophilus · 05-23-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Dane
Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I [am] the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Is Abraham considered perfect today?

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

If Abraham is perfect, it means all his descendants also are perfect. We are the sons and daugthers of Abraham, in succesion, and thus perfect ourselves, according to the bible it seems.

DD - Love Spliff

Maybe it would help if you investigated what the word "perfect" meant in that context.

theophilus · 05-23-2003, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AsimovsProtege
"I'll repeat: what the bible clearly says Jehovah was sorry for, repented for, was making man in the first place. Read Gen. 6:6-7. You can't escape the plain reading of the text."

It's impossible for an almighty being to be sorry for doing something. He knows everything that will happen, therefore, if he knew he was going to kill off humans in the next few thousand years, he wouldn't have made them. he would have made a more pleasing race of humans

This is a common misunderstanding of repentence. Repentence has nothing to do with regret or sorrow (it may be motivated by these things).
Repentence means to turn, to change direction. It involves both thought and behavior.
To say that God repented means that he turned from one course of action to another. It does not imply any inconsistency or "change of plan."
God's "repentence," as all of revelation, is given in terms with which men can identify, i.e, revelation is not for God's benefit.

CALDONIA · 05-23-2003, 03:41 PM

It seems that someone should buy a dictionary. Repent means to feel "remorse, or self-reproach; be contrite; or under the Latin (biological sense) "creeping along the ground; prostate." From the (radical) American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.

A few years ago I decided to purchase a Saturn automobile instead of the Ford Escort to which I was first attracted. It was indeed a change of direction, but in no way did it involve my need to "repent."

What twisted logic...

AsimovsProtege · 05-23-2003, 03:45 PM

Repent:

1.To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.

2.To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.

3.To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.

Remorse:

n : a feeling of deep regret (usually for some misdeed)

www.dictionary.com

CALDONIA · 05-23-2003, 03:54 PM

AsimovsProtege:

I think we just bumped heads! But surely we put to bed that ignorant and tortured and pitiful interpretation of the definition of the word, "remorse," did we not?

The "clear" and "self-evident" Truths of the Bible sure seem to inspire a lot of explaining by the believers to those us of who choose to take advantage of the huge brains that evolution has granted us.

AsimovsProtege · 05-23-2003, 04:06 PM

"AsimovsProtege:

I think we just bumped heads! But surely we put to bed that ignorant and tortured and pitiful interpretation of the definition of the word, "remorse," did we not?

The "clear" and "self-evident" Truths of the Bible sure seem to inspire a lot of explaining by the believers to those us of who choose to take advantage of the huge brains that evolution has granted us."

yea, i'm still hurtin from the bump!

great minds think alike!

of course, us non-believers could never understand their perfect logic, because we don't have the glory of the all-knowing GAWD!!!!

PRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIZZZZ JEEEEEEZZZUUUUUUUUUSSSS!!!!

Mageth · 05-23-2003, 04:30 PM

Repentence has nothing to do with regret or sorrow (it may be motivated by these things). Repentence means to turn, to change direction.

That's a common misunderstanding of "repentence" that comes from getting your defininions from Sunday morning sermons rather than the dictionary.

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05-23-2003, 02:09 PM	#41
AsimovsProtege Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 21	"This assumes that God isn't evil and isn't an idiot." hehe, good point. "Yeah, a damn puzzling thing, isn't it? Could it be that it's all a fairy tale?" It most certainly could, and most certainly is!! "The problem with omni-traits is that they are abstract. It is impossible to imagine a being which is literally all-powerful; we can't understand what that would actually mean." yes...but we can try!

05-23-2003, 02:25 PM	#42
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	A Repentful God: " I just hate it when I do that!"

05-23-2003, 03:41 PM	#46
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	It seems that someone should buy a dictionary. Repent means to feel "remorse, or self-reproach; be contrite; or under the Latin (biological sense) "creeping along the ground; prostate." From the (radical) American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. A few years ago I decided to purchase a Saturn automobile instead of the Ford Escort to which I was first attracted. It was indeed a change of direction, but in no way did it involve my need to "repent." What twisted logic...

05-23-2003, 03:45 PM	#47
AsimovsProtege Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 21	Repent: 1.To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite. 2.To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior. 3.To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins. Remorse: n : a feeling of deep regret (usually for some misdeed) www.dictionary.com

05-23-2003, 03:54 PM	#48
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	AsimovsProtege: I think we just bumped heads! But surely we put to bed that ignorant and tortured and pitiful interpretation of the definition of the word, "remorse," did we not? The "clear" and "self-evident" Truths of the Bible sure seem to inspire a lot of explaining by the believers to those us of who choose to take advantage of the huge brains that evolution has granted us.

05-23-2003, 04:06 PM	#49
AsimovsProtege Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 21	"AsimovsProtege: I think we just bumped heads! But surely we put to bed that ignorant and tortured and pitiful interpretation of the definition of the word, "remorse," did we not? The "clear" and "self-evident" Truths of the Bible sure seem to inspire a lot of explaining by the believers to those us of who choose to take advantage of the huge brains that evolution has granted us." yea, i'm still hurtin from the bump! great minds think alike! of course, us non-believers could never understand their perfect logic, because we don't have the glory of the all-knowing GAWD!!!! PRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIZZZZ JEEEEEEZZZUUUUUUUUUSSSS!!!!

05-23-2003, 04:30 PM	#50
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Repentence has nothing to do with regret or sorrow (it may be motivated by these things). Repentence means to turn, to change direction. That's a common misunderstanding of "repentence" that comes from getting your defininions from Sunday morning sermons rather than the dictionary.

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