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yguy · 07-08-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Hedwig
Just say the word and I'll happily send off a few emails and see what I can find.

If my word is to be the gateway to such a discussion, the word is no. I have serious doubts that I would be able to communicate with such a mentality. And if I tried, it would get ugly in a hurry.

yguy · 07-08-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by catmar
Just because you can't get your mind around it, doesn't mean everyone else can't either.

The same can be said for pedophilia.

Mageth · 07-08-2003, 05:19 PM

There are people who were born with missing limbs who are completely happy with their lives.

And if the option to grow/attach the (functioning) missing limb(s) were offered to them, I doubt if you could find one of them that wouldn't jump on the opportunity.

How come a person with a normal body is so dissatisfied?

It's possible to be psychologically identify as one gender and physically (externally) to be the opposing sex. And the psychological "problem" is not fixable. Just look at the examples of children born "intersexed" who had the wrong choice made for them as infants, modified physically and forced socially to be the gender that psychologically they are not.

yguy · 07-08-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
There are people who were born with missing limbs who are completely happy with their lives.

And if the option to grow/attach the (functioning) missing limb(s) were offered to them, I doubt if you could find one of them that wouldn't jump on the opportunity.

Not the same. A BMW with all of its wheels on is obviously better than one with a missing wheel. The surgical proceedure in question is more comparable to remanufacturing the BMW into a Mercedes. What's the point?

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How come a person with a normal body is so dissatisfied?

It's possible to be psychologically identify as one gender and physically (externally) to be the opposing sex. And the psychological "problem" is not fixable.

Of course it isn't, yet, because no one (in the medical establishment at least) knows why it happens.

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Just look at the examples of children born "intersexed" who had the wrong choice made for them as infants, modified physically and forced socially to be the gender that psychologically they are not.

What does that prove? Again, most of these operations aren't done on people with such physical abnormalities.

Calzaer · 07-08-2003, 07:30 PM

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What does that prove? Again, most of these operations aren't done on people with such physical abnormalities.

Really? What's your source?

Calzaer · 07-08-2003, 07:39 PM

I'm apparently on yguy's ignore list, so could someone please direct him to this older thread by scgirl on a similar subject?

God created male and female? Biology says "No"

yguy · 07-08-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
Really? What's your source?

It's an educated guess based on the fact that I've never heard any arguments for the procedure based on physical abnormalities.

yguy · 07-08-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
I'm apparently on yguy's ignore list, so could someone please direct him to this older thread by scgirl on a similar subject?

God created male and female? Biology says "No"

Ok, looked at the OP. 2 in every thousand people or so are born with some physical manifestation of androgyny. What do you infer from that as regards the topic?

Philosoft · 07-08-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by yguy

I probably wouldn't, but it's apples and oranges, since most transsexuals' gender confusion is entirely psychological, is it not?

It depends. "Psychological" can mean several different things. I suspect the meaning you are assigning is roughly, "something that can be treated/fixed by psychologists." If this is the case, you'll want to convince the psychological community before trying this argument on us.

Philosoft · 07-08-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
The same can be said for pedophilia.

I think there's an obvious difference in relative harm. But you've surely considered this, so what's your angle?

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07-08-2003, 05:19 PM	#23
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	There are people who were born with missing limbs who are completely happy with their lives. And if the option to grow/attach the (functioning) missing limb(s) were offered to them, I doubt if you could find one of them that wouldn't jump on the opportunity. How come a person with a normal body is so dissatisfied? It's possible to be psychologically identify as one gender and physically (externally) to be the opposing sex. And the psychological "problem" is not fixable. Just look at the examples of children born "intersexed" who had the wrong choice made for them as infants, modified physically and forced socially to be the gender that psychologically they are not.

07-08-2003, 07:39 PM	#26
Calzaer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,762	I'm apparently on yguy's ignore list, so could someone please direct him to this older thread by scgirl on a similar subject? God created male and female? Biology says "No"

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