Daggah

That makes one of us.

yguy

There's one in every crowd. Have a thing for obnoxiously sarcastic men, do ya?

Seriously, I'm gratified, young lady. I'm pretty much an equal opportunity basher, and I've probably ticked off as many Christians as atheists - so if I say something about your faith that you disagree with, kindly speak up. You're the kind of person I can disagree with agreeably, I'm sure.

And congratulations on your aunthood, be it present or pending.

Gurdur

Gosh, we'll have you learning how to do proper research yet. But it'll obviously take some time.

News in for you:
your conclusion is wrog and misleading --- I suggest you do some more research before you embarrass yourself more. It's not even worth wasting time on; one result from google you feel like citing, and some spin of your own ?
No, no, no, that just won't do; your elementary school teacher would severely remontrate with you at such lack of diligence.

Go to your local uni library, and look for a critical biography of him --- not a hagiography. Or look through a good newspaper's archives.

Perhaps we'll get you there yet, perhaps.

yguy

Screw that. You've made what appears to me to be a slanderous allegation against a good man. Back it up or go fly a kite in a thunderstorm.

JCS

That is the point though, no one can accept or know christianity without outside influence. Indoctrinated beliefs vs spontanous belief.

Christian ideals....what are those exactly, and what makes them specific to just christianity, and how does one take them up without indoctrination?

One mans fine wine is another mans swamp piss.

yguy

One can't know the jargon, the trappings, and so forth. I'm not sure, however, that one can't know Christ without all that stuff. Having faith in a name or a book isn't what we're after anyway.

The 10 C's would be a good start.

I don't know for sure that the 10 C's are. I suppose most religions have something similar. Christianity, however, recognizes the compulsive nature of sin, and that the law is a dead end, as the pharisees unintentionally demonstrated. Christ is the solution to that problem, by His atonement for sin.

I don't see why anyone needs to be indoctrinated not to murder or steal.

Vitalij

Earlier I posted the thread BIBLE - THE ROTTEN FOUNDATION OF FALSE RELIGIONS (in Internet Infidels Discussion Forums > II Philosophical Forums > General Religious Discussions) that should shed some light on your concepts, dogmas that is. It is logical to expect from you the reaction similar to that you were observing since 1999 on this site, but who knows (that is, sticking to the familiar informational currents - New Age people simply do the same )... I also used to go through Christianity and it did not get me very long to figure out that a true Christian should have the spiritual level of Jesus Christ, not less.

The key point of the christiniaty says: one must live for others, that is to live on reflected light according to the principle "You'll reap what you sowed", with complete capitulation before the Highest, every second submitting yourself to His rule (without any attachment to the results of your deeds, without the slightest interest in any objects and thoughts constructions in crude or fine forms, especially in the field of psychical powers)

Vitalij
shock-site "Earth - the planet of biorobots"

philechat

Remember our old friend Buddha? And Lao-Tze? Lao-Tze in his "Tao Te Ching" also mentioned the pointlessness of Law if people were by nature virtuous. Many buddhists also believed that the Buddha could atone for the world's guilt by detaching themselves and others from the viscious cycle of death and rebirth (Chinese term "Chao-Du"--transcendence and detachment from the cycle).

While Buddhism and Taoism are certainly invented before Christ, if the timelines presented in the history texts are not incorrect.

yguy

Ah, yes...detachment...

...from what? The "vicious cycle" you speak of - positing for the sake of argument the validity of reincarnation - is only a description of a symptom, not a cause. It's like saying a porn addict is addicted to sexual images, when what he's really addicted to is the feeling he gets from getting lost in them.

lpetrich

As to Solzhenitsyn being anti-Semitic, I don't see why that ought to be an issue. From what I've seen of him, however, he romanticizes the Tsarist era as some sort of Russian Good Old Days. And it is not surprising that he sought out some alternative to Communism when he got sent to a horrid prison camp by a Communist regime.