Yellum Notnef

So the "Swoon theory" is old truth? You just said it so don`t bother trying to dance your way out. This Swoon theory you love to flaunt around here says that there was no resurrection. No resurrection = NO Christianity. I believe it was your buddy Paul who said that. You know,that guy you love to quote.

Whats funny is that a search for this Swoon theory pulls up Christian site after Christian site saying this is the dumbest theory of all time.
My guess is that if we were to listen to you and embrace the Swoon theory,you would immediately start hitting us with a shitload of anti Swoon theory rhetoric. And it would be easy for you because you`d have a ton of websites to back you up. Unlike now with Doherty which you have nothing to back you up except your extra loud mouth.

Take a hike Radorth.

Starboy

Radorth, you lost me. I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say or get at. In any case, your response supports my claim that there are many interpretation of Ockham's razor most of them very different from one another. What is your definition of Ockham's razor?

In any case I do not consider it valid to abandon a theory just because it is considered “overly” complex. What is overly complex to me may be just fine with you. Without a way of measuring complexity all statements regarding it are subjective. And in any case even if it could be determined objectively that one theory was more complex than another what would that show? Nothing. You would still have to make an evaluation of the supporting evidence of each assumption. Also you could have a theory with just a handful of assumptions, but they might be so extraordinary that even some very good evidence may not be sufficient to take them seriously.

Lastly, I suspect that there is more than one theory or interpretation of the bible that is consistent with Jesus being the SOG. You make the assumption that just because an opposing theory is shown to be wrong or implausible that somehow your pet theory is automatically right. If you wish to consider yourself reasonable and objective then you have to clearly state the theory you are for, with all of its assumptions and evaluate them as well as all other theories that purport to support the SOG claim. You could end up in a situation with no reasonable theory to account for the reported facts. If you wished to still cling to your beliefs you would have to concede that it is a matter of faith and not reason. It is interesting to note that even then you would still be in trouble, because in order to appear fair you would have to evaluate all other religions similarly and be just a open to their supernatural claims as you are to those of your own religion. Interesting to note, the only person I know of that actually embarked on such a program ended up an atheist.

Radorth, just so you know, I am not interested in discussing the bible. I don’t consider it to be any more important than any other historical religious document. There are so many of them and I have no desire to study any of them. There are too many other subjects I would rather spend my time on.

Starboy

Radorth

WRONG again. The swoon theory is not only NOT my pet theory, it isin fact my least favorite theory because it has wrongly convinced huge numbers of people that Jesus never quite died, and that there was no real "resurrection." It is a very damaging theory compared to JMer theories, because it does not require gobs of unprovable assumptions, i.e. the writers lied about even the smallest detail, the Gospels were copied, the Christians were the midrash specialists of the milennium, Paul never mentioned the crucifixion or a historical Jesus, and on and on.

You don't get it because you are questioning the intelligence, motives and intellectual honesty of those who do get it. The Razor is a tool you can use or not. It is not a be-all, end-all. But you have to be objective to understand and make use of it. I for one am thankful infidels are so cynical about it. It means they will choose simplistic theories over theories which answer the most objections and it means they insist to many assumptions be taken by faith. It won't take people long to figure out what's going on because truly skeptical and objective people apply the Razor without knowing it.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

But you just got done saying it was an "old truth".

Nice going,Lord Of The Dance.

Radorth

No I didn't Fenton, but you're so busy chasing me around so you can "ride" me, you have no time to read my posts. I said that is what JM'ers call it. There is no such thing as "old truth" except in their minds. Age has nothing to do with it.

Rad

Starboy

Radorth, what is your definition of Ockham's razor?

Starboy

Yellum Notnef

Well thats what you said and you made no clarification.
And I`m one of those Jm`ers and I never called it any such thing.
Please don`t put words in my mouth.

Now stand still while we put this saddle on you. I`d like you to then trot over to the other thread to show me how I`ve misquoted you.

Radorth

I gave it to you.

Rad

Radorth

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Yellum Notnef

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