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Automaton · 08-15-2002, 03:19 PM

Me still waiting for a response...

Coragyps · 08-15-2002, 04:45 PM

DD - Chimps, gorillas, macaques, and humans all have the "broken" GLO gene that is needed for Vitamin C synthesis. I'm hunting around currently for which other primates have the defective gene - if someone here knows, tell me!

Mageth · 08-15-2002, 05:01 PM

It's broken in orangutans as well.

Doubting Didymus · 08-15-2002, 05:07 PM

Pardon me, I retract my comment about C - synthesis. Which apes still have it, by the way? as the argument would apply to them, instead of chimps.

My comments about jungle adaptation, however, still pertain. If chimps degenerated from humans and were not permitted positive mutation, they should not have been able to adapt to an environment that we are not adapted to.

Dearest Vanderzygen. Can you see how talking about the actual evidence leads to meaningful debates? Perhaps you should take a leaf from GeoTheos book.

Daggah · 08-15-2002, 06:40 PM

And hey, while we're talking about the various challenges that Vanderzyden has been faced with, I'd like to state that I'm curious as to how he explains the pattern of similiarities in cytochrome C sequences, and I would certainly be interested in seeing his explanation as to why this pattern matches both patterns in the fossil record and genetic patterns...

scigirl · 08-15-2002, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
The challenge you plan to respond to belongs to scigirl, and you may stereotypically label her 'ass-kicking female scientist who knows a big ol' truckload about evolutionary science'.

Oh, wow thanks! I'm blushing now.

I'm finally back, and all moved in. Denver is cool.

Ok, on to the discussion:

Vanderzyden:

Rather than rehash all the excellent arguments made by my colleagues here at infidels, I would like to know - do you have any questions about the evidence that nightshade asked in the original post? Do you understand what we mean by "chromosome fusion," "centromere," "telomere," etc? Please let me know if you need a quick biology lesson.

scigirl

Albion · 08-15-2002, 06:55 PM

Scigirl, have you read anything in these threads to give you the idea that Vanderzyden is remotely interested in biology? Most of the posts seem to be along the lines of "I spit upon your narrow-minded science, I just want to talk philosophy."

hezekiah jones · 08-15-2002, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:
"... I just want to talk philosophy."

Hell, I wish he would even do that!

Blinn · 08-15-2002, 07:13 PM

Hi Scigirl,

Denver sucks IMHO... - kidding, I'm not a fan of the city, but the Rockies are beautiful and I hope you enjoy them. Check out the Natural History Museum... kinda' like a "dead zoo", but still interesting... get out to the West as often as you can... Cheers,

Zetek

Blinn · 08-15-2002, 07:43 PM

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Nightshade,
I welcome your challenge--having seen this on other threads--and I am ready to respond immediately.

It's been something like two days hasn't it? Stop pussing around V... and respond!

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08-15-2002, 03:19 PM	#61
Automaton Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 717	Me still waiting for a response...

08-15-2002, 04:45 PM	#62
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	DD - Chimps, gorillas, macaques, and humans all have the "broken" GLO gene that is needed for Vitamin C synthesis. I'm hunting around currently for which other primates have the defective gene - if someone here knows, tell me!

08-15-2002, 05:01 PM	#63
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	It's broken in orangutans as well.

08-15-2002, 05:07 PM	#64
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Pardon me, I retract my comment about C - synthesis. Which apes still have it, by the way? as the argument would apply to them, instead of chimps. My comments about jungle adaptation, however, still pertain. If chimps degenerated from humans and were not permitted positive mutation, they should not have been able to adapt to an environment that we are not adapted to. Dearest Vanderzygen. Can you see how talking about the actual evidence leads to meaningful debates? Perhaps you should take a leaf from GeoTheos book.

08-15-2002, 06:40 PM	#65
Daggah Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Deployed to Kosovo Posts: 4,314	And hey, while we're talking about the various challenges that Vanderzyden has been faced with, I'd like to state that I'm curious as to how he explains the pattern of similiarities in cytochrome C sequences, and I would certainly be interested in seeing his explanation as to why this pattern matches both patterns in the fossil record and genetic patterns...

08-15-2002, 06:55 PM	#67
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Scigirl, have you read anything in these threads to give you the idea that Vanderzyden is remotely interested in biology? Most of the posts seem to be along the lines of "I spit upon your narrow-minded science, I just want to talk philosophy."

08-15-2002, 07:13 PM	#69
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	Hi Scigirl, Denver sucks IMHO... - kidding, I'm not a fan of the city, but the Rockies are beautiful and I hope you enjoy them. Check out the Natural History Museum... kinda' like a "dead zoo", but still interesting... get out to the West as often as you can... Cheers, Zetek

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