Doubting Didymus

Good gracious. What are we witnessing here?

P.S. I am currently (re)writing a comprehensive response to your last question:

"If Natural Selection is selcting soely on the basis of survival, why hasn't evolution simply brought us "life and life more abundantly," instead of life more and more complexly? If replication is the name of the game, it would seem the less there is to replicate, the better."

It's one of the best questions I've ever been asked by a creationist, and I want to do it justice. I might start a new thread with it. Keep your eyes open this weekend.

Muad'Dib

Can I steal this phrase?

P.S. Hope your trip went well, and enjoy your new job!

Albert Cipriani

Dear Maud'deb,
As one who does not accept the notion of intellectual property, you CANNOT steal from me. In other words, YES, steal to your heart's content.

Dear Doubting,
I want very much not to miss the bashing you are preparing for me. Yet this new job I've landed gives me little time to stay abreast of things. Ergo, please be sure to email me notification of your response to my question. Thanks in advance, Albert the Traditional Catholic

Doubting Didymus

Give me some credit, I'm not intending to 'bash' you at all. Actually it's a subject that I have been reading up on recently. The post will be more of a summary of different scientific perspectives, and will not be specifically aimed at you.

However, it's taking longer than I thought.

Doubting Didymus

Thank you Albert for the inspiration to do a little reading and writing. My answer to your question is now in its own thread, Here . I have had to rethink a few of my own presuppositions writing this, so this is as much a voyage of discovery for me as it is an answer to your question.

Majestyk

How about competition and changing environmental conditions as explanations? Evolution is a naturally occurring phenomena. It has no golden rule. It has no plan. It has no goal. It has no will. It has not the property of ownership. It just happens.

Harrumphrey

Sigh... Run out to the nearest library and check out a primer on physics. Your attempt to cite the second lay of thermodynamics is as laughable as it is typical of theists. Alert: You have just critically weakened your already threadbare "argument".

Harrumphrey

Albert, pardon the acid of my previous post. I hadn't read further down the thread to see your considerable change of tone. In your earlier posts you sounded quite patronizing and hence my response to your citation of the second law of thermodynamics.

It is very rare, de facto, that a creationist should visit this board with a mind open, or even ajar. Therefore it's surprising when one takes in the information presented here and is willing to consider it, much less embrace it. Dogma, after all, is rigid stuff.

Albert Cipriani

Dear Doubting,
My “bashing” comment was an allusion to my own point here being “blunted into a mace.” In other words, a poor attempt at humor, implying that when our intellect fails we must resort to blunt attacks upon the others person rather than incisive appeals to their understanding.

Your article is excellent and I will get to it as time permits now that I’ve got a real job.

Majestyk says How is that any different from saying “Shit happens”? It does. But saying it does doesn’t say anything.

If you wish to argue that evolution is just a brute fact, then it must face off against my brute theistic fact that God is. In short, that argument leads to a dead end, not an inroad. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

GodLessWarrior

...we can observe evolution.......... so far nothing has registered though on my god detector, has yours?