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tronvillain · 05-19-2003, 10:27 AM

It does rock. It is also completely ridiculous.

Animesh · 05-19-2003, 02:38 PM

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That always bugged me as well. How come every starship from every race is orientated on the same plane? In fact, the last episode of TNG addressed this very thing, when Riker's Enterprise launches an attack from a point directly below the enemy at a perpendicular angle. The only stupid thing is... why couldn't the enemy ship detect them just as easily as if they were directly in front? Do Trek sensors only work in 2D?

Upon reading this, did anyone else here hear Spock's words in their heads? "Captain, he's intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates 2-dimensional thinking."

beyelzu · 05-19-2003, 04:50 PM

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Upon reading this, did anyone else here hear Spock's words in their heads? "Captain, he's intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates 2-dimensional thinking."

actually, that is exactly what I thought.

I always figured that the enterprise did move in 3d it was just off camera.

Wyz_sub10,

please open up and tell us all how you really feel.

PopeInTheWoods · 05-19-2003, 06:26 PM

I seem to recall the battle at the end of Star TrekVI: The Undiscovered Country with the cloaked Klingon ship being maneuvered in 3D. The Klingons sent a torpedo up through Enterprise-A's saucer.

Andy

Normus · 05-19-2003, 09:04 PM

I seem to recall hearing more then one time hearing a change of direction using 3 numbers on both TNG and The original series, indicating a move not just in 2 dimensions.

rfwu · 05-19-2003, 11:37 PM

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huh?

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It isn't opinion, it's something from a Star Trek show and possibly movies (I have only watched one ST movie so I don't know about those). In an episode of DS9 "Federation Marines" came passing through on a transport ship. Their pedigree as a descendant of the USMC was mentioned and their role was described as fighting on the ground. There have also been references to other ground forces seperate from Starfleet (for instance, when Bajor become a Federation planet I think they talked about how not all of the Bajoran militia would become Starfleet, but rather a lot of the rank and file would be Bajoran National Guard). There have been quite a few mentions of forces that serve on the ground only and basically get on ships just to go to the next place, and mentionings of how when a planet joins the Federation existing armies aren't always scrapped but aren't always fully incorporated into Starfleet, and there have been references and inclusioms of Marines, Rangers, and other ground forces seperate from the normal security contingent present on a normal Starfleet ship or installation.

ok, ok, so you make a good point. I guess you do watch more than I do.

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Also, Star Trek is sort of racist in a weird way. The species all seem to be able to mate (ie. Worf knocked up a human by accident, so it didn't need medical help, Gul du Kat accidentally got a Bajoran pregnant, there are numerous other multi "species" characters...) yet each alien group is ostensibly a seperate species. But I thought different species can't succesfully mate? At best can't they get together and make offspring that can't reproduce? So aren't all these different humanoid species really variations of the same species? And as has been mentioned, why is it that almost every character from each "species" is a walking talking steretype of that species? Oh well, I watch Star Trek to turn off the mind, so I guess it doesn't matter.

One episode of TNG did reveal that most of the galaxy's races came from an original humanoid species. The idea is that there was a original race in the distant past and they went around the galaxy and spread their DNA everywhere. I did find that Klingon joke really funny. What do you think happened?

Sakpo · 05-19-2003, 11:48 PM

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huh?

That was me declaring what was about to follow was totally dorky. As for the Klingons, I guess they got redesigned to look cooler, and to suit their new status as honorable warriors instead of treacherous villains....er, uh, um...I mean they must have originally looked like they do now, because when they cloaned Kah'less (sorta like Klingon Jesus/Caesar/Ghengis Khan) he looked like a current Klingon...so obviously the Klingons from the Original Series were the ones who'd had something happened to them. Perhaps they suffered years of disease or malnourishment, causing them to look and behave differently. But then by the time of TNG it was all fixed up. Yah, that's it. Ah, Star Trek Apologetics.

Harpy · 05-20-2003, 02:32 AM

Talking of racism in Star Trek.

The character I hated most in the original Star Trek was Dr McCoy. He was for ever making racist comments to spock about the colour of his blood and his pointy ears. The fact that he was obviously from the southern states made it worse.

TealVeal · 05-20-2003, 07:41 PM

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No one knew what to call the Borg in Enterprise as the drones never said the full speech. Instead of "We are the Borg," they simple said "Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile." So, again, technically no one knows.

Also, the borg sphere was what was left from First Contact. So it's not like they are messing up the past because we are going on the alternate timeline. Who knows, maybe they can clean up all the shit they've done by fixing the timeline. Hell that'd be a great chance to replace Archer with a better more likable character.

The Lone Ranger · 05-20-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Normus:

I seem to recall hearing more then one time hearing a change of direction using 3 numbers on both TNG and The original series, indicating a move not just in 2 dimensions.

As I recall, it has been mentioned occasionally that course headings and bearings are 3-D references.

For example, if Sulu says that a hostile ship is at "bearing 324 mark 47", the "324" refers to the X-Y plane, and the "mark 47" refers to the Z plane.

Cheers,

Michael

Kirk: "Z minus 10,000 meters; standby photon torpedoes."

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05-19-2003, 10:27 AM	#51
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	It does rock. It is also completely ridiculous.

05-19-2003, 06:26 PM	#54
PopeInTheWoods Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Rochester NY USA Posts: 4,318	I seem to recall the battle at the end of Star TrekVI: The Undiscovered Country with the cloaked Klingon ship being maneuvered in 3D. The Klingons sent a torpedo up through Enterprise-A's saucer. Andy

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Normus Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: U.S. Posts: 32	I seem to recall hearing more then one time hearing a change of direction using 3 numbers on both TNG and The original series, indicating a move not just in 2 dimensions.

05-20-2003, 02:32 AM	#58
Harpy Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Chelmsford, South East England Posts: 144	Talking of racism in Star Trek. The character I hated most in the original Star Trek was Dr McCoy. He was for ever making racist comments to spock about the colour of his blood and his pointy ears. The fact that he was obviously from the southern states made it worse.

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