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Novowels · 02-11-2003, 02:33 AM

Sabine, I was joking about Spielberg proving the nonexistence of God. I realize I am patently not funny, but one would think that that was obviously not an actual argument.

Now, George Lucas circa The Phantom Menace on the other hand.....

beyelzu · 02-11-2003, 03:55 AM

I would ask god by my friend has a fucking brain tumour, when I, smoking 3 pks of cigarettes a day, am cancer free.

Sorry that the response isnt amusing, but it's the first question that popped into my head.

I think I might also ask, if he wants to ask me for my forgiveness, before I open up a can of wupass extra strength on him.

beyelzu · 02-11-2003, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by penumbra
DUDE!! So you're the guy that popped Mary's cherry, eh?

You could follow up with all sorts of other questions, like did mary give you oral?

or was she really a virgin when you met her, after all would a good girl give up the goods to the first golden ray that she came across?

Sabine Grant · 02-11-2003, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Ronin
Well, Sabine, in this fantasy land hypothetical I would surely use the diary of intent (aka God's Word) as found in the bible ~ you have read the christian bible, have you not?

I won't take up valuable bandwidth quoting book and verse providing the underlying facts and circumstances as a list of god's crimes against humanity are almost as long as the bible itself...besides, I am sure you are familiar with them.

I would also sign the affidavit myself as a direct witness to some of the most abusive horrors allowed to be committed by the 'omniscient one', as an accessory before the fact by not reporting the intent of vicious killers despite full knowledge prior to the offense, a culpable defendant present during the commission of the act and then harboring the despicable fugitive.

Let me know if you want evidentiary photographs as my cabinet is filled with them.

Would you let a drunk and abusive boyfriend kick a 13 month old baby so often and hard that the infant's spleen was ripped to shreads on his own spine?

I leave you to defend your tyrant.

It is interesting to me how the assumption is made that all christians feel they that have the "anointed" mission to justify the actions of God as described in the Bible. Some thorough reading of my comments in regard with the Bible in various threads should have dissipated those assumptions.
Ronin and Christ on a Stick.... you both would have to address your challenge to a fundamentalist christian who believes firmly that the Bible is entirely true. It is not my case.
I do separate the human intent to use the representation of any God to justify human actions and cruelty from the actual divine intent.
One of my goals as a christian is to help other christians question the veracity of biblical writings. I am probably even more affected by the representation given of God than most of you freethinkers are.
One has to be careful to not attribute thoughts to another individual based on what the majority's thoughts are.
I do not defend tyrany nor do I attribute it to God. I attribute it to men using the shield of " God said so" to justify their own tyrany.

Sabine Grant · 02-11-2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by ju'iblex
no, its scary someone considers se�or spielbergs films worth the cost of the posters. Schindlers list was a vague exception, im talking about ET, AI, other such films with ridiculous lifeforms.

why is it scary? a world of good films, and someone enjoys Hook instead? the endless jurassic park saga? seaquest dsv? the mask of zorro!

would you like me to name endless more horrors?

I do not consider Color Purple and Amistat as horrors.... as far as Hook is concerned, children do enjoy it as well as ET etc...in any case I find the word " scary" to be misappropriated when it comes to Spielberg. Just a matter of opinions....

ju'iblex · 02-11-2003, 11:51 AM

yes, it is a matter of opinions. it was also designed to be humourous. so why bother arguing it?

its really quite simple, the plain facts are se�or spielbergo is El Pollo Diablo. i dont see how that could be possibly refuted.

ThinkingMammal · 02-11-2003, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
yeah... if you forget that Miranda He might get off on a technicality. Just curious... but under what probable cause would the warrant for his arrest stand? note that I wrote " probable cause" not mere suspicion...... I cannot wait to read thru your charges.

I'd start with one count of Conspiracy to Commit Fraud for each count of fraud ever charged by a legal court in good standing. Omniscience means he was aware of the crime before, and after, it occurred and did not act to stop the crime.

I would repeat for Murder.

I would repeat for Rape.

I would then add a count of Aiding and Abetting for each of the aforementioned crimes, for omnipotence not promptly delivering each criminal to the nearest hoosegow for containment until trial.

Ronin · 02-11-2003, 02:03 PM

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Sabine said ~ blah, blah, emotional off topic, diversionary blather, blah, blah, then...I do separate the human intent to use the representation of any God to justify human actions and cruelty from the actual divine intent.

Yet, all 'christ'-ians, must derive 'divine intent' from 'God's word' also known as the Holey Buybull.

Sabine ~ If you are personally attempting to derive 'divine intent' from your observations of natural events, then you may want to re-define yourself away from the monster of the christian fairy tale...for that depiction is statedly and undefendably monstrous.

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One of my goals as a christian is to help other christians question the veracity of biblical writings. I am probably even more affected by the representation given of God than most of you freethinkers are.

Color me doubtful of your word.

Perhaps instead of remaining a vague 'christian' you would like to spell out, for us freethinkers, exactly how you do perceive the representation of your God instead of obfuscating in your typical manner.

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One has to be careful to not attribute thoughts to another individual based on what the majority's thoughts are.
I do not defend tyrany nor do I attribute it to God. I attribute it to men using the shield of " God said so" to justify their own tyrany.

I didn't say that the boyfriend justified his vicious evisceration of that innocent baby to any deity, Sabine...focus on the issue of omnipresence, if you can overcome your mindsnare...and defend your imaginary omnipotent lover that allowed it to happen.

You might also attempt to drop the facade of insult and directly answer my question ~

Would you let a drunk and abusive boyfriend kick a 13 month old baby so often and hard that the infant's spleen was ripped to shreads on his own spine?

We're waiting...

OBKB · 02-11-2003, 02:37 PM

the questin would be --- what's the dog leash law in heaven?

OBKB · 02-11-2003, 02:41 PM

What did you do with the goddesses of antiquity?

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02-11-2003, 02:33 AM	#71
Novowels Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,658	Sabine, I was joking about Spielberg proving the nonexistence of God. I realize I am patently not funny, but one would think that that was obviously not an actual argument. Now, George Lucas circa The Phantom Menace on the other hand.....

02-11-2003, 03:55 AM	#72
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	I would ask god by my friend has a fucking brain tumour, when I, smoking 3 pks of cigarettes a day, am cancer free. Sorry that the response isnt amusing, but it's the first question that popped into my head. I think I might also ask, if he wants to ask me for my forgiveness, before I open up a can of wupass extra strength on him.

02-11-2003, 11:51 AM	#76
ju'iblex Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney Australia and beyond the realms of Gehenna Posts: 6,035	yes, it is a matter of opinions. it was also designed to be humourous. so why bother arguing it? its really quite simple, the plain facts are se�or spielbergo is El Pollo Diablo. i dont see how that could be possibly refuted.

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