MOJO-JOJO

Reminds me of what [Up]Chuck Colson always likes to say....

"If Evolution is true, then we have no greater dignity than being just grown up germs!?"

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Er...well Chuck, if we really ARE just "grown up germs" as you say, would it make any difference about whether we should have any dignity as advanced life forms? Does the belief that an invisible, mysterious, supernatural magician that "made" us out of the dust of the earth give us any more dignity??

No Chuck, if everyone finally understood REAL truth, your ministry would lose million$ and your livelihood would go down the tubes.

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pseudobug

liquid, I know you are a youngster from your profile and all, but I need to let you in on a couple of little secrets.

Secret 1-- the guy is a mathematician. FUNDING AGENCIES ARE NOT LINING UP TO GIVE MATHEMATICIANS MONEY.

Secret 2-- Teaching is an honorable profession and need not be derided. Furthermore, the people that engage in teaching shouldn't be referred to as "academic wash-ups". Besides, someone has to give scientists some of the tools they need to do their work at some point in their lives.

Secret 3-- Most of the research being done today--no one really cares about it and it will have little impact in science. There might be a little clot of 4-5 labs in the world working on similar problems and those folks are intimately involved and interested. Most in the remainder of the scientific world could give a wet rat's ass about another groups work unless it benefits them in some way.

Please don't take this as an attack on you personally. My points were merely meant for your edification.

Dr.GH

Was his dissertation on the calculus? If it wasn't, then he is a loser who caught a job teaching calculus because it is hard to get anybody at all to do it. Plumbers make more money than I do, but it doesn't make me want to be a plumber. (Well, OK. Sometimes I think I should be a plumber. I know one guy whose (after tax) pull is $100K)

Nothing wrong with teaching. I happen to really enjoy it. I have taught every kind of student from elementry to posdocs; in medical schools, colleges and kindergartens.

Nor do I think that creationists are ipso facto stupid. But the arguments presented above are seriously screwed. So, IMHO, the guy is either psychotic or he is a liar.

Mageth

You believe that there is no God or if there is a God he did a crappy job creating the universe and then just kicked back after he finished his "half-ass job" and let nature do it itself (which according to theistic evolutionists did a much better job than God did).

Amen brother! Hit the nail right on the head! Note that we have one "complete" fossil skeleton of A. afarensis (and millions of other fossils and evidence supporting evolution) and not so much as one single fleck of bone, footprint, or handprint of a god. What, pray tell, am I to believe based on the evidence?

Dr.GH

OK. Now that I got that out of my system, there is an interesting issue raised: Why do a small number of non-stupid people prefer creationist beliefs over reality.

I'm sorry but nobody lives for ever, with or without paradise. Your enemies will not suffer eternal torment, they will be just as dead as you will be.

IS that IT? Creationists just want to get their rocks off in paradise while they listen for eternity to the agonized screams of enemies they only knew a few years (if at all)?

What sick assholes.

pseudobug

Uh, guys....I hate to be a party-pooper, but we are arguing over and dissecting the web page of a 19 year-old Michigan Technology University student. Read his<a href="http://informationcentre.tripod.com/personal.html" target="_blank">about me page.</a>

He read "Crichton at the age of ten"...and began at "seventeen I began heavily researching the theory of evolution and was repulsed by how inaccurate, misleading, and inconclusive it was".

Translation: a smart-assed kid that has the world and science all figured out at the age of 20 AND has a bad web page. Probably a fundie. He also knows that the godidit Creation story is correct as "for his Buybull tells him so" and he has not missed a single church service in 10 years.

(Self--"Why am I continuing to waste time on this topic? Boredom, perhaps?" :confused

Answerer

Nevertheless guys, if evolution is wrong why do the creationists lose almost all the debates involving evolution with the biologists over the years? Obviously, it is the creationists who are wrong.