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01-03-2002, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by diana:
It remains to be seen how you "evaluate the wording of the parable" and it's ludicrous for you to check to see how effectively any events we read of in the bible are described, since you have no alternate manuscript to consult for verification and you clearly weren't there yourself.

To understand the bible you have to walk on water and since there was no historic event to verify this, the "there" is in the "here and now." If you can't be with it in the here and now you should at least let me hold your hand or you will drown even on dry land.

Good luck but be careful not to dive in head first.

Amos

IvanK · 01-03-2002, 08:52 AM

A priest, a pastor and a rabbi are out fishing. The discussion turns to walking on water and the rabbi, naturally, is skeptical. So the preist declares he's going to get out of the boat and walk on the water, which he does! Then the pastor gets out and steps onto the water, without sinking! There's the priest and the pastor walking around on top of the water and just having a ball! Finally the rabbi gets out of the boat and sinks to the bottom like a stone.

The pastor turns to the preist and says, "do you think we ought to have told him where those big rocks were?"

Have a nice day on Planet Amos.

01-03-2002, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi:

You have the intellectual approach of a petulent five year old child and the reasoning capacity to match. Please do not post here anymore unless you have something cogent and supportable to add.

Childish poetic proclamations serve no purpose here, other than a pathetic and blatant redirection away from my OP. If you want to claim that there is some sort of "mysterious duality" existing in everyone's mind then prove it or otherwise demonstrate it's presence.


OK, when the ego raptures that which remains is in heaven. Before you can accept that you have first have remove your preconceived idea of the biblical rapture parable (sorry about that), but it once again points at the dual nature of Jesus-the-Jew and Jesus-the-man. This same duality exists in us as both "man" and "human." The prefix -hu is from -humi and means "earthly" which now means that humans are earthly and man is heavenly--if you allow me to juxtapose heaven with earth.
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CASE IN POINT: I take the words at their dictionary value's but not the combination of them.
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How is this at all relevant to my OP?

Just to prove that you are an impoverished religious fundamentalist. To be an atheist and not believe in God one must "be" God and have no doubt because only knowledge and understanding can set you free from any belief of which doubt is its opposite.

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MORE: The parables are groups of conventional words used to describe non-conventional events.
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No, they are not. Parables are short fictitious stories that illustrate a moral attitude or a religious principle. 

Only if you do not see the reality behind them.

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MORE: These events are real and so parables have meaning because they point at something that is real.
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No, they do not. Try reading that dictionary you mentioned before.

There are no parables in dictionaries but dictionary words are used to write parables. 

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MORE: I look at the reality and evaluate the wording of the parable to see how effective they describe the events.
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Then you are one of the most self-deluded individuals I've ever had the misfortune of addressing since there is no "reality" for you to look at (it's a collection of unsupported, ancient mythology) and parables are not utilized to describe actual events; they are used to impart specific morality or cult-oriented tenets.

You forget here that only beauty and truth are real.

Amos

Jobar · 01-03-2002, 05:17 PM

Another tale told by Amos, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

01-03-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Jobar:
Another tale told by Amos, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Poor Amos, just laughing himself silly about the fires he flares.

Sephiroth · 01-03-2002, 09:09 PM

I would say something but I don't have my Amoese translator with me yet.

PopeInTheWoods · 01-06-2002, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:
If you can't be with it in the here and now
You should at least let me hold your hand
Or you will drown even on dry land.

Good luck but be careful not to dive in head first.

Not to encourage him or anything, but these could be the core of some decent rock lyrics....

Andy (PITW)

01-06-2002, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by PopeInTheWoods:


Not to encourage him or anything, but these could be the core of some decent rock lyrics....

Andy (PITW)

The next line would be:

"For if you do, I'd have to go for your legs."

diana · 01-07-2002, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by Jobar:
Another tale told by Amos, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Couldn't have said it better myself, MacJobar.

I'll now sit back and watch Koy, Dane of Thread, make mincemeat of the hapless and incoherent toy, Amos.

d

PopeInTheWoods · 01-07-2002, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by Amos:


The next line would be:

"For if you do, I'd have to go for your legs."

Too bad I can't write music. But then again "Amos 'n Andy" has already been taken....

Andy (PITW)

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01-03-2002, 08:52 AM	#22
IvanK Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,016	A priest, a pastor and a rabbi are out fishing. The discussion turns to walking on water and the rabbi, naturally, is skeptical. So the preist declares he's going to get out of the boat and walk on the water, which he does! Then the pastor gets out and steps onto the water, without sinking! There's the priest and the pastor walking around on top of the water and just having a ball! Finally the rabbi gets out of the boat and sinks to the bottom like a stone. The pastor turns to the preist and says, "do you think we ought to have told him where those big rocks were?" Have a nice day on Planet Amos.

01-03-2002, 05:17 PM	#24
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Another tale told by Amos, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

01-03-2002, 09:09 PM	#26
Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	I would say something but I don't have my Amoese translator with me yet.

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