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sakrilege · 07-16-2003, 06:21 PM

And what about my sister and I? I'm a strong atheist and she is a raving fundie. How does that fit into the equation since we had the same father and upbringing?

cydonia · 07-16-2003, 06:47 PM

Both my sisters are fundies, and my mom is one as well. I'm not.

I'm very close to my dad, and he's a christian, though of a more liberal sort.

Maybe people don't believe in god because they thought it through and came to that conclusion?

pz · 07-16-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by sakrilege
And what about my sister and I? I'm a strong atheist and she is a raving fundie. How does that fit into the equation since we had the same father and upbringing?

Your dad must have liked her best.

Spenser · 07-17-2003, 11:54 AM

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"Most Atheists come from a family where the father was missing, dead, weak or abusive. Paul C. Vitz has written a very interesting book entitled Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism (Spence, 1999)"

I would just like to note that the 'Spence' that this quote came from was surely not me

ComestibleVenom · 07-17-2003, 01:01 PM

My dad's a martial artist, a sucessful entrepeneur and a hard-edge neo-orthodox Roman Catholic.

Oh yea, he's not a real christian and so is a weak father. No true scotsmen raise atheists.

godfry n. glad · 07-17-2003, 01:40 PM

My dad didn't fit any of those criteria, either. 'Course, I suppose a fundy would consider any father who demanded that his children not be bombarded with religious propaganda until they were mature enough to critically consider the claims and make their own decisions...as abusive, right? And he also required that my mother NEVER play hymns on the piano while he was in earshot....abusive, right?

Anyway, I'd say it was my mother that had the biggest influence. She was fairly evangelical as well as chronically and severely manic/depressive. When you see your mother give up her medications because she believes that her faith will ameliorate her psychological conditions...again...and again...and again...It kinda tilts the playing field toward some more rational alternative.

godfry

Biff the unclean · 07-17-2003, 02:00 PM

Frankly I don't think that those of us who have had a perfectly adequate normal loving Dad would be those who feel compelled to need an imaginary friend sort of Dad. That need would be fulfilled by your human father

Spaz · 07-17-2003, 04:46 PM

That doesn't even make any sense. Whoever came up with that obviously didn't do their homework. My mom was raised in an at least partially abusive household and that's exactly why she's religious. My Dad's never been abusive, nor weak, he isn't dead since I'm still young, and he's here, he's in the crapper right now.

Biff the unclean · 07-17-2003, 05:07 PM

Thank you for sharing

Kenneth · 07-19-2003, 04:38 AM

The record of father's worldwide isn't that spectacular. If his assertions were true, we'd all be atheists.

07-17-2003, 02:00 PM	#17
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	inflatable party-doll of a Dad Frankly I don't think that those of us who have had a perfectly adequate normal loving Dad would be those who feel compelled to need an imaginary friend sort of Dad. That need would be fulfilled by your human father

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07-16-2003, 06:21 PM	#11
sakrilege Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH, USA Folding@Home Godless Team Posts: 6,211	And what about my sister and I? I'm a strong atheist and she is a raving fundie. How does that fit into the equation since we had the same father and upbringing?

07-16-2003, 06:47 PM	#12
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	Both my sisters are fundies, and my mom is one as well. I'm not. I'm very close to my dad, and he's a christian, though of a more liberal sort. Maybe people don't believe in god because they thought it through and came to that conclusion?

07-17-2003, 01:01 PM	#15
ComestibleVenom Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,320	My dad's a martial artist, a sucessful entrepeneur and a hard-edge neo-orthodox Roman Catholic. Oh yea, he's not a real christian and so is a weak father. No true scotsmen raise atheists.

07-17-2003, 01:40 PM	#16
godfry n. glad Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 1,190	My dad didn't fit any of those criteria, either. 'Course, I suppose a fundy would consider any father who demanded that his children not be bombarded with religious propaganda until they were mature enough to critically consider the claims and make their own decisions...as abusive, right? And he also required that my mother NEVER play hymns on the piano while he was in earshot....abusive, right? Anyway, I'd say it was my mother that had the biggest influence. She was fairly evangelical as well as chronically and severely manic/depressive. When you see your mother give up her medications because she believes that her faith will ameliorate her psychological conditions...again...and again...and again...It kinda tilts the playing field toward some more rational alternative. godfry

07-17-2003, 04:46 PM	#18
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	That doesn't even make any sense. Whoever came up with that obviously didn't do their homework. My mom was raised in an at least partially abusive household and that's exactly why she's religious. My Dad's never been abusive, nor weak, he isn't dead since I'm still young, and he's here, he's in the crapper right now.

07-17-2003, 05:07 PM	#19
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Thank you for sharing

07-19-2003, 04:38 AM	#20
Kenneth Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: PROC Posts: 206	The record of father's worldwide isn't that spectacular. If his assertions were true, we'd all be atheists.

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