Loren Pechtel

A communist state could engage in capitalist dealings with other states.

hal9000

Nicely stated above DP.

Hehehe.

David M. Payne

Danish, still waiting for your response to the above points.

David

David M. Payne

Me and Me

Still no answer to my original question on this post.

What is considered a failed system? what has to happen or occur in order for it to be definitively classified as a failed system?

Should I no longer believe that the workers should own the means of production becuase of failed attempts in other countries? Should you no longer believe in Capitalism with it's massive failings in most countries?

JBLurking

Cue the twilight zone music when you read this. Capitalism may not be the perfect economic system, but it will have to do until something better comes along.

Are you aware of the real world failure of every attempt at communism? It doesn�t work, and I think that talking to you may be a waste of time judging by some of your threads and replies on other threads.
JB

David M. Payne

Welcome to J.M&M land JB. Watch where you step, it gets deep in Marxist BS around here.

David

Me and Me

And welcome to, Insults that cover up peoples inability to debate, and show their lack of knowledge, land.

Gunnaheave

Of course if communism is construed as an attempt to establish a global communist state, then all "communist" nations are failures to the degree that they have not successfully conquered the rest of us. To the extent that "communist" nations must still compete with capitalist nations for military and economic hegemony, this means that all the so-called 'communist' nations have actually been centralized capitalist nations, engaging in the same expansionist economic policies as capitalist nations. They are communist only in claiming a nominal committment to Marxist thought, and certain ideals, but providing government control of the means of production is hardly sufficient to realize those goals. Ultimately, one might just as well claim that the failure of 'communism' was really the first failure of global economics, a failure of the less efficient capitalist-managerial system rather than a failure of a substantially different alternative.

Of course the politics of the cold war made it imperative for smaller nations to take sides in the grand struggle rather than simply reforming their own economies, so one might also question whether or not the prospects of a nation simply implimenting communist reforms has really been tested. Since military coups have prevented some democratically elected communist governments (Chile, Guatamala, etc.) from carrying out their mandate, it seems a bit convenient to claim that all communist nations have failed of their own accord.

But of course the real losers during the cold war were all the localized economies raped and destroyed by "communists" and "capitalists" seeking to help them. In the long run it's not really that much different than the colonial era when catholic and protestant nations proclaimed themselves as bringers of salvation to various natives, fought over which vision would save the natives, and in the end, merely exploited natives and their resources without helping them at all.

Who lost the cold war (Communism or capitalism)?
Who lost the cola wars (Coke or Pepsi)? �Ask someone from Shasta.