Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): Your paraphrase was misleading.

dangin

So which are you attacking the religion or the parents?


Yes, but why come her for the "spillover" when you could go right to the source? Just answer the question, why are you doing this here, when you could actually be affecting change among the religious?

I'm simply saying (with a godlike joking reference about "his eye is on the sparrow) that when troublesome threads come about, as your's most always are, word gets around. Either that or the mods here are omniscient.

dangin

That's why the was there. I'm not in the habit of my own posts.

Daleth

Well, I think that answers what was going to be my next question, but just to make sure, you said: I'd say that any adult who has sexual contact with a child is a child molester. Would you agree?

HelenM

Ok, but let's stick to your scenario. Do you find it weird and unrealistic too?

Helen

HelenM

But I didn't come here "from the religion forums".

I've been aware of this site since before the discussion forums here even opened. I wrote to Dr William Lane Craig on behalf of this site in 1996: see here.

Helen

Amen-Moses

As a child I was taught that sex was dirty in fact I was taught that playing with myself would (and this is just a small selection):

Cause blindness (something that really bothered me when aged 11 I needed glasses to correct myopia which progressed really quickly during puberty).

Stunt my growth. (I was a very short child)

Grow hairs on my palms. (not sure why that would be a bad thing )

Cause my penis to drop off.

I don't know the origins of these claims and different adults taught different ills that would befall me, maybe some are religious teachings maybe not I wasn't educated enough at the time to make head nor tail of them.

I was also told that I shouldn't touch girls bits because they were dirty due to also being used to pee through and by extension I gathered that my own were dirty by similar reasononing.

I consider those teachings to have been harmful even though I eventually grew out of them but I have tried my best to aviod similar bad teachings to my own children, now I am being hounded by social services purely because my own children are "overly sexualised". What they really mean is that my children have no taboos and thus they readily engage sexually with their peers yet society sees this behaviour as taboo, then they assume that this behaviour is unnatural (which couldn't be further from the truth) and have actually made the accusation that they must have "learned" the behaviour by being sexually abused!

Basically they are saying that if I had lied to my children as I was lied to they would be "normal", a strange state of affairs to my mind.

Anyone who has ever kept pets knows that sexual behaviour is perfectly normal and doesn't have to be taught so why do these supposed experts assume that humans (with their vastly superior intellect) need to be taught it? Surely working out that peg A goes into slot B is easily within the capabilities of the human brain.

Amen-Moses

Amen-Moses

You actually wrote to Silly Billy? Wow I am impressed. I once gave Ham such an online hammering that he refuses now to even admit to my existance by I've never managed to get a rise out of Silly Billy.

Amen-Moses

HelenM

I wrote to ask him to give permission for the transcripts of one of his debates to be published on the Internet. He decided they could be but it had to be on a Christian site.

Which meant that the Sec Web could link to his half of the debate so that accomplished the purpose I hoped for in writing to him.

Helen

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): I really don't think I'm attacking anything...that was a bad choice of words. I'm trying to raise awareness to the damage religion has done us. I've been in that groove for most of my life.
In this instance, the damage comes from inheriting what I consider to be an unhealthy view of sex. Which we pass on to our kids.
Which I see as a moral issue.
I suppose I'm preaching to the choir, but I didn't know where else to take it.