Henry-Finland

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Israel has stolen land.
Israel is breaking against international law.
Israel steals even today, more land.
Israel might be, inside Israel some kind of democracy, if we forget the Palestinians inside Israel for a moment.
Israel outside its borders, in the occupied areas, is not behaving better than some of the worst occupiers, in WWII in western-Europe.
Israel use torture.
Israel assassins people.

If it helps You, many other people do the same, but I can not recall that any other country has begin to steal land, coordinated by the government.
Do You?

Henry

gandolfi

Its surprising to find anyone who still believes that Hiroshima was anything to do with ending Japanese aggression. That is such outdated history that I thought it was confined to the darkest corners of Mississippi or Alabama. The poster needs to google a little.

It sounds worthy to equate the Israeli and Palestinian acts, and to claim that both are equally responsible. However, that ignores the fact that the Palestinians are a rag-tag, devastated people, with no resources and hardly any support; compared to Israel which has one of the most powerful armies and nuclear capability in the world, a wealthy, privileged society, a functioning government and civil service, and the support of the USA. How can one possibly play the equation game given these facts ? Its rather like saying that the African National Congress and the Apartheid Government of South Africa were equally to blame for the violence and unrest in pre-liberated South Africa.

comradeBillyboy

very cogent. a shockingly balanced view of the situation. the israel-palestine debates illustrate just how ideological and crazed many, otherwise rational skeptics can be.

run2white

Well said.

There seems to be little conversation about the root cause of this conflict.

Crucifiction

Nobody seems to have answered my question--

Was it wrong for the Native Americans to fight against white invaders? They often killed women and children and farm animals in an attempt to drive out the white men that were destroying their homelands.

If not, then how can you not support the Palestinians? If so, then how can you justify, say, the Americans fighting against the British in the War of 1812?

Personally, I have no problems with the Palestinians resisting the Israelies; and, in fact, I'd have no qualms with them destroying the Israeli nation. I DO have qualms with them killing civillians, but the Israelis are responsible for just as many civillian deaths as the Palestinians.

No, I'm not "Anti-Jewish", but I am "Anti-Israeli Imperialism".

I feel the Israelies should either agree to split the land 50/50 evenly with the Palestinians, or just get the hell out; as it wasn't their land to conquer to begin with.

Epictetus

Your proposition is interesting. I'm unsure, however, if it is quite fair to impose our own morality onto other times and places. I'm unsure if one can unequivocally state that what is moral for Palestinians in 2005 is the same for the Sioux of the 1870s. You also bring up an interesting point about what is fair, right, moral, humane when involved in a "war" or in defense of your people.

It may not be fair to equate one culture of today with that of another time and continent, but it seems reasonable to judge two cultures living adjacent to one another at the same time. In other words, what is fair for the Palestinians is fair for Israel, and vice versa. If you have no problem with the Palestinians eradicating the Israelis, consistency dictates that you should feel exactly the same way about Israel decimating the Palestinians. It's simply two cultures fighting over the same square foot of land.

Peoples Revolution

The fighting isn't the same.

There is a difference between fighting for liberation, and fighting to maintain superiority over another group of people.

Epictetus

That's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure the Palestinians see themselves as fighting for their freedom. The Israelis have seen themselves fighting for the same exact thing when they were the underdog and all of the surrounding arab countries were trying to drive them out.

gandolfi

Sorry the equation doesnt work. The Israelis were fighting to maintain occupation of a country which wasnt theirs and had been given to them by the UN. They werent fighting for freedom.

run2white

"A country that wasn't theirs"...that's a revealing statement. Who decides?You? Me? Your neighbor?