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Loren Pechtel · 06-02-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Dune
<quote>This current system is pitifully inadequate and open to abuse, and the patient's desires are usually overridden.<quote>
In what way?

DNR orders are often ignored.

dk · 06-02-2003, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
Perhaps you could point us to the part that says, "A depressed person lacks the mental capacity to decide?" Or maybe you want to tell us where this article promotes or even addresses forced-feeding?

You made a series of disconnected aseertions, some of which were wrong, and the rest of which were non sequiturs, and then posted another off-topic response quoting some stuff about depression that has nothing to do with withdrawing life-support.

There's just nothing here to re-think, or for that matter, to think about at all.

Hey, most doctors can't diagnose suicidal depression when it bites them on the ass. Bottom line, depression is treatable, doctor assisted suicide isn�t.

winstonjen · 06-02-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by dk
Hey, most doctors can't diagnose suicidal depression when it bites them on the ass. Bottom line, depression is treatable, doctor assisted suicide isn�t.

Not all forms of depression can be treated. Depression caused by incontinence, incapacity, pain, hopelessness etc. cannot be treated without eliminating those root causes. And if they can't be treated to the PATIENT'S satisfaction, what do you suggest?

Doctors may have trouble with diagnosing depression, which is why a PSYCHIATRIST would have to do so under proposed laws.

Dr Rick · 06-03-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by dk
Hey, most doctors can't diagnose suicidal depression when it bites them on the ass. Bottom line, depression is treatable, doctor assisted suicide isn�t.

What does any of this have to do with your assertion that "A depressed person lacks the mental capacity to decide?" or abuse of the elderly? or teen suicide?

And what does any of this have to do with the topic?

keyser_soze · 06-03-2003, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
What does any of this have to do with your assertion that "A depressed person lacks the mental capacity to decide?" or abuse of the elderly? or teen suicide?

And what does any of this have to do with the topic?

What's that swimming by your foot dr. rick?

dk · 06-03-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by winstonjen
Not all forms of depression can be treated. Depression caused by incontinence, incapacity, pain, hopelessness etc. cannot be treated without eliminating those root causes. And if they can't be treated to the PATIENT'S satisfaction, what do you suggest?

Doctors may have trouble with diagnosing depression, which is why a PSYCHIATRIST would have to do so under proposed laws.

It sounds likes you agree disease should be treated. What proposed laws are you talking about?

winstonjen · 06-03-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by dk
It sounds likes you agree disease should be treated. What proposed laws are you talking about?

Proposed assisted suicide and euthanasia laws, naturally. What else did you think they were?

dk · 06-03-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by winstonjen
Proposed assisted suicide and euthanasia laws, naturally. What else did you think they were?

A questions please,
What's the difference between assisted suicide and euthanasia laws.

winstonjen · 06-03-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by dk
A questions please,
What's the difference between assisted suicide and euthanasia laws.

Assisted suicide - the doctor prescribes the drug but the patient has to take it themselves.

Euthanasia - the doctor gives the patient a lethal injection after receiving a request.

Both require a waiting period.

dk · 06-04-2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by winstonjen
Assisted suicide - the doctor prescribes the drug but the patient has to take it themselves.

Euthanasia - the doctor gives the patient a lethal injection after receiving a request.

Both require a waiting period.

I�m not sure there�s a rational distinction between doctor assisted suicide and euthanasia, perhaps you can tell me how such a discernment might be rendered. For example, doctors today prescribe fatal quantities of opiates to be taken in smaller quantities at the patients discretion. I don�t see a rational distinction. Without a rational basis for �doctor assisted suicide� it seems a foolish and pointless argument. The only issue therefore reduces to euthanasia.

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