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7thangel · 04-09-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryanfire
You're assuming there was a *before* existence. What if there is no such thing as nothing. Isn't nothing a mathematical concept indicating the absence of any or all units? Even in a state of nothingness, there exists [nothing].

exist[nothing] = 1, the existence of nothing
or,
exist[0] = 1, the existence of 0

So we get subsets of zero.
exist[0] = 1
exist[0][0] = 2
exist[0][0][0] = 3
exist[0][0][0][0] = 4

Therefore the universe where we exist, exists, even in the state of 0/nothing.
Eliminating the need, purpose, or reason for god.

Perhaps somebody could help me formulate this better, or see the perspective I'm coming from.

-R

1 nothing, 2 nothings, 3 nothings, 4 nothings..........

I think Albert will surely agree with you.

7thangel · 04-09-2003, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Z500
while i don't doubt that there may very well be a "God", i don't think it's necessarily a supreme immortal super-being. none of us have ever actually seen God, so for all we know he's just some guy out in space that found us somewhere and started growing us on another planet. i mean, we do this to bacteria anyway

Unfotunately, we are not a bacteria, and God is not a GUY next door, I mean other space.

Sincerely, our knowledge of things makes us feel something. We are not afraid of nothing, but we are afraid of not knowing anything. So as a human being, there is more than a bacteria idea to rationalize our supposed way to feel about God's existence.

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