sullster

Don't worry Amos, you never upset me, only religious mumbo-jumbo does. The irrational is wired into our brains and I do the futile act of raging against the rising tides of it.

Femme Savante

Wrong. The Massacre of St. Bartholomew occurred on August 24, 1572. If you aren't familiar with French history, Amos, this massacre of several hundred Protestant Xians occurred after Catherine de Medici, mother of the Catholic King Charles IX, married off her daughter Margot de Valois to the Protestant Hugenot king of southern France, Henri de Navarre. By 1572 there were so many Protestant Xians in France, and of such influence (under Henri de Navarre), that they were a serious threat to the Catholic crown. The Protestants who attended Margot de Valois' wedding to Henri de Navarre were massacred on the couple's wedding night, by the royal family's loyal Catholic army.

An excellent film about this era in French history is Patrice Chéreau's La Reine Margot.

M.L.

Amos

I am sure you are correct but my point was that traditional Catholic families are Catholic and not Christian but at best "Christian-in-becoming." They were sinners first and it was not until the protestant movement introduced "sola scriptura" salvation that anyone was counted among the righteous that became known as "Christians" (be reminded here that Jesus was counted among the wicked).

This is very much like Jesus, who was a Jew but left Judaism to become "Christian" to make Judaism as a religion the necessary means to the end. Catholicism is much the same. When a Catholic becomes a Christian he leaves Catholicism as a means to the end (hence, son of man has no place to lie his head or there would be temples in the new Jerusalem).

Sounds like an interesting movie and I would never deny any of it.

Amos

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