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Happy Wonderer · 08-11-2003, 03:06 PM

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"That's true," says Thorne. "God told the Israelites when they moved into the land to wipe out everybody, to spare no one, not even their cattle. Why did he do that? I don't know. That's God's call. In that case, genocide was obviously the right thing to do, because God commanded it. I'm not willing to set it aside and say, 'Well, that part of the Bible is patently untrue, because a loving God would never do that.' I don't presume to lecture God."

He will then turn around and say that giving kids religion is necessary, 'cause if you are an athiest you have nothing to base morality upon.

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We also talk a lot about how the American system of justice is based on the biblical system of justice..

Well, maybe so...

hw

WinAce · 08-11-2003, 03:17 PM

I remember this--back in October, that paragraph won an Honorable Mention at my collection of ridiculous fundie quotes. :notworthy

Jimmy Higgins · 08-11-2003, 05:28 PM

(Jimmy Higgins *ponders* taking a high school of science children to a YEC "museum" and pretty much blowing the place out of the water, with our teachers wearing the lab coats and goggles. Laughing at the ark. Taking the ark out of the display case and showing how sturdy *break* it is. Take the C-14 dating exhibit and throwing up mathematical proofs showing that there is no error. Taking mathematical proofs of how other dating methods have been consistent. Laugh at Adam and Eve.)

Just how much time do you think you'd get away with that for, say in Mr. Kent Hovinds House 'o Mirrors?

Lizard · 08-11-2003, 07:36 PM

Someone said that if you really wanted to see Duane Gish speechless, you should ask him where the craters on the moon came from. Supposedly, the correct YEC answer is that they were formed during the battle between the Devil's forces and God's angels. If he gave the correct YEC answer, he would reveal to any evolutionists present that he indeed was a creationist (as if there was any doubt).

Has anyone ever heard of this Devil vs. Angels thing? And if so, where in the Bible does it talk about it?

Lizard · 08-11-2003, 07:39 PM

The KU Natural History Museum is the venue for Creation Safaris led by Tom Willis of the Creation Science Association of Mid-America or one of his followers. He does the same thing as the Colorado guy. See his website for a schedule and some amazing articles by Mr. Willis, a blueberry farmer and hydrologist who is not sure whether the earth is flat or round but knows for sure evolution is wrong.

CSAMA website

Tau · 08-12-2003, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by Happy Wonderer

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"That's true," says Thorne. "God told the Israelites when they moved into the land to wipe out everybody, to spare no one, not even their cattle. Why did he do that? I don't know. That's God's call. In that case, genocide was obviously the right thing to do, because God commanded it. I'm not willing to set it aside and say, 'Well, that part of the Bible is patently untrue, because a loving God would never do that.' I don't presume to lecture God."

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We also talk a lot about how the American system of justice is based on the biblical system of justice..

Well, that would explain why it's currently Lord Ashcroft's call whether a US citizen should be imprisoned without rights, 'cause there's a chance that he just might possibly maybe be a terrorist...

Anyway, on the CSAMA website front page, they have this quote (their emphasis):

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"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." First Timothy 6:20-21, KJV

Ah, the irony...

Division By Zero · 08-12-2003, 07:45 AM

As my friend would say, "Makes me want to SLAUGHTER!"

CX · 08-12-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Xixax
This man makes me want to cry.

More importantly this man's idiocy makes baby Jesus cry.

Peez · 08-12-2003, 02:20 PM

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We also talk a lot about how the American system of justice is based on the biblical system of justice..

Hmmmmm...

Do the following acts all earn one the death penalty in the U.S. of A.?

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killing a man (Exo 21:12, but not killing a slave Exo 21:20)
criminal negligence causing death (Exo 21:29)
kidnapping (Exo 21:16)
rape (Deu 22:25)
adultry (Lev 20:10)
incest (Lev 20:11)
beastiality (Lev 20:15)
woman not having the "tokens of virginity" on her wedding night (Deu 22:16-21)
having sex with someone else's virgin fiance (Deu 22:23-24)
having sex when you are a virgin fiance (Deu 22:23-24)
male homosexual acts (Lev 20:13)
cursing your parents (Lev 20:9)
disobeying your parents after being chastened (Deu 21:18-21)
recruiting followers for other gods (Deu 13:6-10)
worshipping another god (Deu 17:2-6)
gathering firewood on the sabbath (Num 15:32-36)

Just wondering.

Peez

Xixax · 08-12-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Peez
Hmmmmm...

Do the following acts all earn one the death penalty in the U.S. of A.?Just wondering.

Peez

Thankfully no... or I wouldn't be writing this post.

[Edited: Post instead of "email"]

08-11-2003, 07:36 PM	#24
Lizard Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 169	Craters on the moon? Someone said that if you really wanted to see Duane Gish speechless, you should ask him where the craters on the moon came from. Supposedly, the correct YEC answer is that they were formed during the battle between the Devil's forces and God's angels. If he gave the correct YEC answer, he would reveal to any evolutionists present that he indeed was a creationist (as if there was any doubt). Has anyone ever heard of this Devil vs. Angels thing? And if so, where in the Bible does it talk about it?

08-11-2003, 07:39 PM	#25
Lizard Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 169	Creation Safaris in Kansas The KU Natural History Museum is the venue for Creation Safaris led by Tom Willis of the Creation Science Association of Mid-America or one of his followers. He does the same thing as the Colorado guy. See his website for a schedule and some amazing articles by Mr. Willis, a blueberry farmer and hydrologist who is not sure whether the earth is flat or round but knows for sure evolution is wrong. CSAMA website

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08-11-2003, 03:17 PM	#22
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	I remember this--back in October, that paragraph won an Honorable Mention at my collection of ridiculous fundie quotes. :notworthy

08-11-2003, 05:28 PM	#23
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	(Jimmy Higgins ponders taking a high school of science children to a YEC "museum" and pretty much blowing the place out of the water, with our teachers wearing the lab coats and goggles. Laughing at the ark. Taking the ark out of the display case and showing how sturdy break it is. Take the C-14 dating exhibit and throwing up mathematical proofs showing that there is no error. Taking mathematical proofs of how other dating methods have been consistent. Laugh at Adam and Eve.) Just how much time do you think you'd get away with that for, say in Mr. Kent Hovinds House 'o Mirrors?

08-12-2003, 07:45 AM	#27
Division By Zero Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 179	As my friend would say, "Makes me want to SLAUGHTER!"

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