Roland98

You're comparing a sex change to the formation of the USSR? A little sore from that stretch?

Good thing you're not in need of a sex change, then. What would be worse than nothing is to try to sweep them all under the rug, as if they don't exist--when the medical technology is there to help them.

Amaranth

And? The thoughts of how to grasp and mantain power of a country while changing it's economic system is not really comperable to thoughts on if a person would be happier as a man/woman or not. This is a grander non-sequitur than your pediphile remark, although not quite as strong an appeal to fear.

Do you have any rational reason why these people, who put more thought into the decision than you have put into your assumed statistics, should not be able to change their bodies?

Check the OP - It has a link to an interesting, if bigoted, article about how medical science can, in fact, help these people. Pretty neat.

JaeIsGod

Whats the fuss about anyway? If people would me more happy if they change gender , more power to them. Live and let live?

Amaranth

You really just don't know yguy, Jae. Here's his response to Canada legalizing gay marriage, including his creating of the now classic phrase "gender confusion":

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=55493

He has a lot of other "good" threads on the MF&P board.

Shake

I think y(se)guy has nothing to offer in this discussion. Except of course for pointless counter "arguments," which as has been pointed out, are quite often non-sequiturs.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, you should just remain silent. We get the point that you don't agree with it. Why all the fuss?Unlike your posts. After continued requests for evidence, you keep making additional silly "arguments" based on your own biased opinion. Still no evidence on your part.

I really can't get my mind around your "arguments." Therefore, using your "logic," they must not be true. OR, I doubt that anyone can really believe them.

Anyway, that article (from the OP) just brings to light still another reason that I can't stand the Catholic Church. :banghead:

Calzaer

Remember, weird is sinful, and ONLY yguy is allowed to assume facts not in evidence (don't think you get to use them, or he'll fuss at you). Further, yguy categorically refuses to support any statement he makes, anywhere, with any sort of evidence. He's refused point-blank demands for evidence on several occations.

But he says he's not a troll.

Mageth

But he says he's not a troll.

Of course he does. Trolls are weird, after all.

yguy

Just on the off chance that you or anyone has the slightest interest in the point, it is, of course, that the amount of thought invested in an idea doesn't ensure that it is not idiotic, to say the least.

People need sex-change operations like they need head amputations.

It's there to help them cover up the problem by curing the symptom.

yguy

Perhaps, just as you and I have differing ideas about what constitutes sexual normality, we also have differing ideas about what constitutes a constructive comment.

You're asking me? You think maybe I'm responding to my own posts with varying degrees of derision?

I didn't say the concept was wrong because I can't get my mind around it.

You guys would save yourselves a lot of time and anxiety if you'd respond to what I actually say.

nj_heathens

Enjoying this thread, especially the deconstruction of yguy's transphobia.

I once knew a man going through the psychological and physical program in preparation for a sex change operation to become a woman. He was a great gal and I was one of her only acquaintances who ever took the time to ask 1) how she was doing and 2) nonjudgmental questions about the process. She was always eager to talk about it, and I got the impression that she didn't get many opportunities to talk about it. Unfortunately, I moved during the process and we lost touch. She still had many months to go before the doctors would make a final decision whether to actually perform the surgery. I've often thought of her and consider it my loss that we lost touch.Of course there is a difference between pedophilia and transgender issues, but I must disagree with your opinion that transgender issues only affect the one person. Transgendered (TG) persons have people in their lives - spouses and children, parents, siblings, other relatives, friends, co-workers, etc. All of those persons are affected by a TG person's decisions regarding permanently changing their gender. As part of a TG person's support group, their concerns are valid, and it was my understanding that those concerns are addressed through counseling before permanent surgery is performed.

A few months back I saw a cable-made movie called Normal starring Tom Wilkinson and Jessica Lange as a couple married 25 years struggling through his decision to have a sex change operation and remain married to his wife. Took place in a small farming community in Iowa. I thought it was wonderfully done. It also exposed the hypocrisy of their church leaders as they shunned this devout church-going couple.

It opened my eyes a bit wider to issues faced by people I wouldn't normally come across, and that can only be a good thing.

Mrs. Heathen