Goliath

Biff the Unclean,

I know that the writers could make an episode where a character finishes up with a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis. However, I think we agree that the writers cannot have one of the characters present a full proof, from beginning to end, with all of the details--no bluffing, no making things up. Thus the writers are not omnipotent.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Biff the unclean

Of course the writers aren't omnipotent. That's a charactistic that only fictional characters posses.
There is no way I could give you full proof, from beginning to end, with all of the details--no bluffing, no making things up.
Just as there was no way the bible writers could give you full proof, from beginning to end, with all of the details--no bluffing, no making things up. That's why they got everything wrong.

In Star Wars world you can travel faster than light. In God World you can create the universe by saying magic words. Superman World leap tall buildings in a single bound. Buffy World watch out for the living dead. Harry Potter World you can turn your friend into a mouse with a wand.

But in REAL World there are none of those cool things. That's why we make them up.

The problem is with fans of the series (God, and Son Of God---not Buffy) they see all the stuff that is wrong and they love the series so much that they make up excuses for it. I mean these fans are nuts. I know people who have actually memorized whole books from the God series. But then I've also met people who have learned to speak Klingon and others who can repeat the dialogue of Seinfeld line for line

And there are some fans who can't separate the fantasy that they enjoy from the reality they live in. Those poor souls we find with Moe Howard haircuts and points glued to their ears at Star Trek conventions. And here at this site telling us about their "personal walks" with these fictional characters.

Mediancat

As long as we stipulate that the writers ARE omnipotent, only insofar as it comes to the universes they've created.

What Goliath seems to be saying is that if they're not omnipotent in the real world, they're not omnipotent when it comes to their fictional ones. But they are.
Rob aka Mediancat

Amaranth

Foul! I cry foul!

The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is 42, not 47!

Oh, you are so fired.

Amaranth

Emphasis mine.

Goliath -

1) This is fiction. Again - This is fiction. For the last time - this is FICTION. If you put the limiting factor "no making things up" on a work of FICTION, it isn't fiction anymore. It bloody well can't be.

2) I'm not certain your aware of this, but in fiction, you can decide what is right or wrong. A bloody example:

"Amaranth, in a fit of frustration, reached through his monitor and throttled Goliath."

What? It doesn't work? Well hell, maybe not in the real world, but it certainly does in my work of (can you guess what's coming up?) fiction.

Some more fiction:

"Amaranth carefully lifted the positronic containment unit, and slowly slid it into place within the stainless steel "head" of the robot. As he let it go, the uranium enforced orb quietly "clicked", signaling it had established a link with the body. Amaranth quickly screwed the robots protective "skull" back into place, then flipped a nearly invisible switch behind it's synthetic ear. The nearly inaudable whirr of the machine coming to life was drown out after mere seconds as the android growled mechanically, 'Goliath online.'"

Argh....I give up. I just give up. I'm going to go beat my head against a different rock now.

Biff the unclean

1) This is fiction. Again - This is fiction. For the last time - this is FICTION. If you put the limiting factor "no making things up" on a work of FICTION, it isn't fiction anymore. It bloody well can't be

I felt that that was worth repeating.

In my fictional Buffy world the unsolvable mathematical problem was solved by a puppet using a children's calculator. The people in that world saw the answer and confirmed it. You never saw the answer in the real world because it doesn't exist in the real world. That's the easiest way to tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction, If the characters in the story can do the impossible, it's fiction. If they have superpowers, it's fiction. If they can do real magic, it's fiction.
If the characters have limitations that real people don't like no one can see them or hear them, they are fiction.
In his story Jesus has superpowers, other characters in the story, like his Apostles verify that. They have some superpowers too but not as super as the heroes. But they are just like Buffy verifying the Count. She is another fictional character in the story. In her "world" the math works. In the real world it doesn't. In Jesus world he can walk on water in the real world the guy would drown. So you know it's fiction.

And as for 47 actually being 42…I'll explain that later

Tarnaak

I happen to have inside information that says its 777!

Biff the unclean

Please note:
"I'll explain that later, but first…"
Is the "Dr Who defense." It's a classic, poorly written, fictional device.

{Companion} "What do you mean you are the Doctor? You are a completely different person, you're younger and taller. And I saw the Doctor electro invulsed with my own eyes!!!!"
{Dr Who} "I'll explain that later, but first…"

{Darlec} "SILENCE EARTHLING OR YOU WILL BE EXXX-TEER-MAN-A-TEEEEEED"
{Victim} You may have me chained to a chair in your flying saucer but I still…hmmm…why do Darlec's have chairs?
{Darlec} I'LL EXPLAIN THAAAAT LAAATEEEEEEEEER

The_Unknown_Banana

Firstly, LOL Biff (& this thread!)!


Secondly, I guess it is the fans we are concerned with, but they are the people who would make as if the buffy world is real. It would become their world, were they fanatic enough. Well, that's my idea of it anyway! lol. Still, to me it's just an analagy, which loosely fits. Good enough for me Accept it or not.

CJD

Wade-w, call me crazy, but a few days ago, following your remarks, we began an interesting conversation that has now disappeared. Where did they go?

Regards,

CJD